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Bass Reeves

Force Carrier wrote: »

I don't think so. He must have 60 years at this stage.

Sorry David Moran

Force Carrier

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Unless Denis Moran comes back to a good level and

I don't think so. He must have 60 years at this stage.

Mr. Incognito

I am always amazed by these threads.

After every game you will get some troll coming in throwing shapes and people feed them.

Click on the users name.

Select add to ignore list.

Easy.

Bass Reeves

I only saw about 10 minutes of the game yesterday. However from early in the league I have taught we have an issue with midfield. Unless Denis Moran comes back to a good level and able to stay on the pitch for the full game which is now 80 minutes we are in trouble. In the present game you need 3-4 good midfielders we have only 1-2.

I never saw Marc Griffin as an option. I think Adrian Spillane was better than him however we need to sort out how we manage this part of the field.Even with a fully fit Denis Moran and Jack Barry operating at full tilt we need another two for substitution and in case of injury. Diarmuid O'Connor may be an option but have not really seen him in action. Maybe we will need to swap out both midfielders after 60-70 minutes or maybe we need a mullocker in there for the last 20 minutes. Taking it that we have a good number of half backs, in Crowley, O'Sullivan, White, Morley and Lyne would Morley's strength be an option there for the last twenty minutes. As well his defensive abilities might help later in the game.

Of the 10 ish minutes of the game I saw towards the end of the game I think 2-3 of the foot passes were criminal that were turned over and we seemed unable to move the ball quick from defence when Mayo pressed up on us. As well for most of that we had an extra man. I taught Ryan should have held his ground for the second goal. He should have talked Sean O'Se into just holding off the Diarmuid O'Connor, I just taught it was too far to come for a ball as a goalie. The other thing I taught was lads were very tired in the last 10 minutes of the game Mayo looked further ahead in fitness or have we been doing some heavy training for the last few weeks

We will need a big step if we are to manage to get through the super 8's this year. To do that we need to solve midfield and the middle third of the pitch but mainly mid field.

PressRun

DDC1990 wrote: »

The biggest mistake the line made was bringing James on for Data.

That left a FF line of James, Clifford and Tommy. None of them work back.

McCarthy was having a great game in Corner forward, but got run into the ground on the wing in the second half.

On top of everything our defensive system is still shaky and lead to goals after individual errors. Diarmuid was tracking Ruane from Midfield and then seemed to think Murphy had him, but they both got attracted to the ball carrier and Ruane slipped in behind. It's not as if we didn't have prior warning after the game in Tralee.

For the 2nd goal, it was Seánie O'Shea who was our Full Back defending the high ball with Diarmuid O'Connor. A full back would have been able to use their body to protect the space for Ryan to come out.

The 3 goal, despite having an extra man, we lost the kickout. That is unforgivable.

Thoughts on Jack Barry in the middle? Sounded from the radio like he was getting the run around.

I felt very nervous about Clifford every time he got the ball. Felt like Harrison was struggling to hold him.

DDC1990

The biggest mistake the line made was bringing James on for Data.

That left a FF line of James, Clifford and Tommy. None of them work back.

McCarthy was having a great game in Corner forward, but got run into the ground on the wing in the second half.

On top of everything our defensive system is still shaky and lead to goals after individual errors. Diarmuid was tracking Ruane from Midfield and then seemed to think Murphy had him, but they both got attracted to the ball carrier and Ruane slipped in behind. It's not as if we didn't have prior warning after the game in Tralee.

For the 2nd goal, it was SeÃ¡nie O'Shea who was our Full Back defending the high ball with Diarmuid O'Connor. A full back would have been able to use their body to protect the space for Ryan to come out.

The 3 goal, despite having an extra man, we lost the kickout. That is unforgivable.

windy shepard henderson

going to throw a few wild swings after a super game today ,

1 kevin mccarthy's substitution seemed to have a negative effect on the kerry midfield and attack for the rest of the game

2 super game by gavin crowley surly a positional change would have been better then taken him off , maybe jack barry would have been a better choice

3 would sean o'sheas second half performance be a worry for kerry people , its highly unlikely ye will get a test like this until the super 8s he was picking up matthew ruane for the last 20 minutes of that game today and lost the battle badly

4 the donie buckley defense is written all over this side which is similar to mayo of the last 4 years it seemed a bit too open for kerry in the second half especially the full back line

Forge83

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you kidding me. Take off the rose tinted glasses, I have seen your above players and Aiden omahoney do things off the ball that would get you arrested on the street. Including putting there hands down another players shorts and sticking fingers in players eyes, maybe that's okay tactics with those glasses of yours.

If you think keegan is any dirtier than those players then your clearly just trolling. Or are related to sos.

At least you are admitting that Keegan is a dirty player. I’m debating today’s game, not the past.

[Deleted User]

Forge83 wrote: »

Again I’d disagree, Galvin, Kennelly,O ses played on the edge when the ball was up for takes. They did some disgraceful things and brilliant things and the likes of Galvin May have been a dirty footballer but he was a footballer. Keegan plays on the edge nowhere near the ball. That’s the difference. Digging O Se in the stomach, sledging him at the other side of the field to the ball for most of the game is not football. How many times did Keegan dispossess him or get to a ball before him or block him today? I can’t recall any.

Are you kidding me. Take off the rose tinted glasses, I have seen your above players and Aiden omahoney do things off the ball that would get you arrested on the street. Including putting there hands down another players shorts and sticking fingers in players eyes, maybe that's okay tactics with those glasses of yours.

You wouldn't see it on camera, as the ball would be 50 metres away.

If you think keegan is any dirtier than those players then your clearly just trolling. Or are related to sos.

Forge83

C__MC wrote: »

Keegan plays on the edge like Galvin did, like Kennelly did, like the o ses did. Like the dubs do. Keegan is a class act, stifled your go to man today. It happens. Kerry will bounce back.

Again I’d disagree, Galvin, Kennelly,O ses played on the edge when the ball was up for takes. They did some disgraceful things and brilliant things and the likes of Galvin May have been a dirty footballer but he was a footballer. Keegan plays on the edge nowhere near the ball. That’s the difference. Digging O Se in the stomach, sledging him at the other side of the field to the ball for most of the game is not football. How many times did Keegan dispossess him or get to a ball before him or block him today? I can’t recall any.

Forge83

Deleted User wrote: »

So in other words as the poster said, he had him in his pocket. He is a half back, that has outscored a lot of full forwards in the country all while keeping some of the best forwards in the country quiet.

He is one of the best half backs in the country for several years.

Put the sour grapes away for a while.

He didn’t outscore O Se today... He negated him with constant off the ball fouling and got away with it. I’m sorry but that doesn’t make him a good footballer.
No sour grapes, Mayo deserved the win today. Most of their players deserved it for some fantastic football played.

That doesn’t change most of the countries opinion of Keegan. Aidan O Se got sent off today but is a fine footballer. A couple of silly mistakes and he picked up two yellows. Big difference to a player who decides that off the ball fouling for most of the game is the most important part of his game.

C__MC

Forge83 wrote: »

Yet you haven’t corrected me on Keegan being the dirtiest footballer in the country. O Se already has more All Irelands than Keegan.

Keegan plays on the edge like Galvin did, like Kennelly did, like the o ses did. Like the dubs do. Keegan is a class act, stifled your go to man today. It happens. Kerry will bounce back.

Forge83

C__MC wrote: »

Childish response. Your guranteed nothing in life

Yet you haven’t corrected me on Keegan being the dirtiest footballer in the country. O Se already has more All Irelands than Keegan.

C__MC

Forge83 wrote: »

Destroyed? They seemed to negate each other if anything.
Keegan is the dirtiest player in the country. He is not a footballer. Constant off the ball dirty play. O Se will retire with a few senior All Ireland’s though and be remembered for his talent, Keegan will not.

Childish response. Your guranteed nothing in life

[Deleted User]

Forge83 wrote: »

Destroyed? They seemed to negate each other if anything.
Keegan is the dirtiest player in the country. He is not a footballer. Constant off the ball dirty play. O Se will retire with a few senior All Ireland’s though and be remembered for his talent, Keegan will not.

So in other words as the poster said, he had him in his pocket. He is a half back, that has outscored a lot of full forwards in the country all while keeping some of the best forwards in the country quiet.

He is one of the best half backs in the country for several years.

Put the sour grapes away for a while. There isn't a team in the country that wouldn't want him. Or a team he wouldn't get in.

Forge83

C__MC wrote: »

Kerry still in a fair position due to Munster being what it is. Keegan destroyed o se

Destroyed? They seemed to negate each other if anything.
Keegan is the dirtiest player in the country. He is not a footballer. Constant off the ball dirty play. O Se will retire with a few senior All Ireland’s though and be remembered for his talent, Keegan will not.

wirelessdude01

C__MC wrote:

Kerry still in a fair position due to Munster being what it is. Keegan destroyed o se

When Keegan and Durcan started both attacking at the same time in the 2nd half Seanie spent most of it chasing shadows deep into your half.

C__MC

Kerry still in a fair position due to Munster being what it is. Keegan destroyed o se

Stoner

Forge83 wrote:

Wasnâ€™t a punch. He shrugged him off with a hint of an elbow. Ref saw it and felt it was legal.

He'd given D O'Connor a free when he was pushed just before that so it was consistent.

wirelessdude01

conor05 wrote:

Issues in midfield too. James O donoghue is no longer a goal scoring threat for us either.

As a mayo person I was delighted that they kept forcing him inside into his right foot as he only uses it to keep himself balanced and certainly not for kicking.

Mayo were very cute in the 2nd half. Fouled when they needed to, also selective pushing up on kickouts led to utter pandemonium.

kerry37

Forge83 wrote: »

Murphy May be marginally safer than him now as he has a lot more experience.But my point remains that Ryan has far more ability to go to another level of quality which Murphy hasn’t. For that reason persisting with Ryan benefits the county team more in the long run which is what Peter Keane is trying to build.

Fair point and makes sense

Forge83

kerry37 wrote: »

Can anyone shed any light on the Aidan o Shea sending off. The push he actually got sent off for on Seanie O Shea looked soft enough, as in it looked like Seanie just ran into him more than anything. Looked like he threw a punch at Tommy earlier in the game but was far enough away from it. Any telly replays shown?

Wasn’t a punch. He shrugged him off with a hint of an elbow. Ref saw it and felt it was legal.

Forge83

kerry37 wrote: »

They were and they have been pretty good every game he has played tbf. He caught 3 good high balls in, under no pressure. One time a Mayo man gets near him and he doesn't get there, I think that's the 2nd time hes cost us a goal like that. He needs to absolutely clean man and ball if hes coming out like that. Wont be good enough come championship and imo Murphy is the better keeper.

Murphy May be marginally safer than him now as he has a lot more experience.But my point remains that Ryan has far more ability to go to another level of quality which Murphy hasn’t. For that reason persisting with Ryan benefits the county team more in the long run which is what Peter Keane is trying to build.

Forge83

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Was at the game. No complaints. Better team won. Few observations

- We were comfortably on top playing a deep defence. Went man to man in the second half and were slaughtered. I have no idea why.

-Mark Griffin was responsibile for 1 03. Considering he came on as a second half sub thats insane. Kept giving stupid turnovers. Running into contact and giving bad passes. He had never improved as a player and is not going to.

-James o donoghue was poor. Doesn't look to pass

-Shane Ryan was excellent. Brilliant under the High ball. Needs to be given the jersey for the championship. His long kick outs were straight to O Shea. Not hard to stay away from him.

-Tommy Walsh was excellent. As was Clifford. Barry solid in midfield when he was targeted.

Finally. The Kerry support was appaulingly bad. No more than 1,000 id say. Mayo easily 25,000 supporters. Made for a serious Mayo athmosphere and Kerry were denied some clear frees as a result when the crowd put the ref under pressure.

You must have been watching a different game to me.
Ryan was excellent first half. Poor second half.
Agreed on Mark Griffin, not good enough at this level. Don’t think he offers anything come championship.
Harsh on O Donoghue just back from injury. Made himself available for a lot of ball in a crowded Mayo defense. A bit of match sharpness May bring him on.
Clifford was excellent when he got the ball, we just didn’t get the ball to him enough. I’m a Tommy Walsh fan but he was terrible today by the standards of his previous games,
Jack Barry got absolutely taken to the cleaners by O Se in the second half.
Ref was absolutely appalling. High tackles by Mayo players consistently. Off the ball dirty play by Durcan and Keegan was disgusting. I think I counted 4 clear pick ups off the ground by Mayo players which weren’t seen.

Moynihan limping off as he came out the tunnel at half time was a massive blow to the structure of the team. We lost the work rate immediately with O Donoghue as he’s not that type of player.
Jack Sherwood going off seemed to collapse our defensive structure. I thought it was harsh on him being removed.
Sean O Shea playing most of the game in defense, especially second half really hurt our attacking game.

Positives. Our defensive display in the first half was the best I’ve seen in years. Murphy,O Sullivan and Gavin Crowley were excellent all game.
Ryan’s kick outs first half were top class.
A lot of young talent getting big game experience.
Clifford and O Brien are near unstobbale with ball in hand. We just need to get them the ball more.

Championship- Gavin White and Moran to come back in. Geaney, Foley and Clifford only just back from injury so another level to step upto.
Murphy and Burns addition to the panel will also be a boost.

babybuilder

DDC1990 wrote: »

No complaints.

Better team won.

Crushed to be honest. Mayo made us look poor for a lot of the game with their superior pace and physicality. Their forwards took their chances better as well

To many poor decisions cost us. Subs have us nothing. Dara Moynihan seemed to be coming out for the second half with the rest of the players then started limping and returned to the dressing room so James came on.

As a Donegal supporter I expected more of Kerry. Destroyed in around the middle third. Didn't seem to know what to do or change in the second half. They got in each others road when Kerry were coming out of defense. Lots of players hiding. Side line short on ideas?

DDC1990

No complaints.

Better team won.

Crushed to be honest. Mayo made us look poor for a lot of the game with their superior pace and physicality. Their forwards took their chances better as well

To many poor decisions cost us. Subs have us nothing. Dara Moynihan seemed to be coming out for the second half with the rest of the players then started limping and returned to the dressing room so James came on.

kerry37

Can anyone shed any light on the Aidan o Shea sending off. The push he actually got sent off for on Seanie O Shea looked soft enough, as in it looked like Seanie just ran into him more than anything. Looked like he threw a punch at Tommy earlier in the game but was far enough away from it. Any telly replays shown?

kerry37

Forge83 wrote: »

Harsh. His kick outs in the first half were excellent. Made a few fantastic saves.
Yes he made a blunder for the goal and a couple of other mistakes. He is young and has the talent to improve to a level that far surpasses Murphy and Kelly.

They were and they have been pretty good every game he has played tbf. He caught 3 good high balls in, under no pressure. One time a Mayo man gets near him and he doesn't get there, I think that's the 2nd time hes cost us a goal like that. He needs to absolutely clean man and ball if hes coming out like that. Wont be good enough come championship and imo Murphy is the better keeper.

Forge83

kerry37 wrote: »

The sooner Shane Murphy comes back the better. Ryan has been caught out a few times this year under the high ball. Not good enough

Harsh. His kick outs in the first half were excellent. Made a few fantastic saves.
Yes he made a blunder for the goal and a couple of other mistakes. He is young and has the talent to improve to a level that far surpasses Murphy and Kelly.

Mr. Incognito

Was at the game. No complaints. Better team won. Few observations

- We were comfortably on top playing a deep defence. Went man to man in the second half and were slaughtered. I have no idea why.

-Mark Griffin was responsibile for 1 03. Considering he came on as a second half sub thats insane. Kept giving stupid turnovers. Running into contact and giving bad passes. He had never improved as a player and is not going to.

-James o donoghue was poor. Doesn't look to pass

-Shane Ryan was excellent. Brilliant under the High ball. Needs to be given the jersey for the championship. His long kick outs were straight to O Shea. Not hard to stay away from him.

-Tommy Walsh was excellent. As was Clifford. Barry solid in midfield when he was targeted.

Finally. The Kerry support was appaulingly bad. No more than 1,000 id say. Mayo easily 25,000 supporters. Made for a serious Mayo athmosphere and Kerry were denied some clear frees as a result when the crowd put the ref under pressure.