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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Olivia Pope

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It wasn't Crawford Woods, but I do know a couple that sold up to move into a similar priced house; so I reckon those houses will sell, hopefully freeing up other accommodation for sale.
With current levels of supply, it's a while before price correction.

I’m sure there are houses in the €600k bracket that offer better value. €600k in a big estate with probably little privacy and no garden to speak of in Glanmire. Someone said to me at the weekend that they weren’t selling. So I was just wondering if that was true.

snotboogie

Lots of interesting tidbits regarding Navigation Square, Anderson Quay and future OCP docklands developments

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/cork-developer-warns-about-lack-of-residential-accommodation-to-house-growing-workforce-and-population-912214.html

Brussels Sprout

snotboogie wrote: »

Lots of interesting tidbits regarding Navigation Square, Anderson Quay and future OCP docklands developments

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/cork-developer-warns-about-lack-of-residential-accommodation-to-house-growing-workforce-and-population-912214.html

Glad to see someone highlighting the disparity between apartment building and other forms of construction

opus

opus wrote: »

Anyone know what's going with this site at the end of the Mardyke, pretty much across the road from the sacred heart church? It's been sitting idle for ages now, would have thought it was tailor made for student accommodation

Looks like things have kicked off at the site as spotted some machinery in there this morning. No idea what's going to built there though.

Slim Charles

opus wrote: »

Looks like things have kicked off at the site as spotted some machinery in there this morning. No idea what's going to built there though.

I've moved since but there was a van and digger in there that haven't moved for months, walked past it twice a day up to the beginning of this month.

Anteayer

That strip of lights along Patrick's Bridge doesn't look great in my opinion. It totally hides all the detail of the bridge at night.

First time I have seen it tonight and I was very disappointed as I was expecting some nice architectural lighting picking out the columns and the faces on the arches. Instead it just looks like a modern bridge now due to the strip of bright LEDs along the ledge.

From down the river all I could see was the lights, not the bridge. You can't even see the expensive and ornate lamps on the balustrades because the LED strip is so bright.

snotboogie

The events centre request for information deadline has been set back from April 3rd to July 3rd at the request of BAM.

D'Agger

snotboogie wrote: »

The events centre request for information deadline has been set back from April 3rd to July 3rd at the request of BAM.

Any idea why that would be allowed - either they have information to hand on why progress hasn't taken place or they don't, 3 months to get it together seems...generous

snotboogie

D'Agger wrote: »

Any idea why that would be allowed - either they have information to hand on why progress hasn't taken place or they don't, 3 months to get it together seems...generous

I assume they are not allocating resources to it until the funding debacle with the city council is sorted.

mire

snotboogie wrote: »

I assume they are not allocating resources to it until the funding debacle with the city council is sorted.

It's not a great sign to be honest. The RFI wasn't especially onerous and could have been addressed relatively quickly. If they had resubmitted and secured planning, they could effectively say to the gov't "the ball is in your court"

Curb Your Enthusiasm

D'Agger wrote: »

Any idea why that would be allowed - either they have information to hand on why progress hasn't taken place or they don't, 3 months to get it together seems...generous

Council being spineless as per usual.

Absolutely ridiculous this is now going to be dragged out even more.

SleetAndSnow

The building of Corks Events Centre still hasn't begun as there is another 700million needed, BAM and the Council are getting legal advice on the matter.

Absolute farce at this stage. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the above actually happened!

Markcheese

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Council being spineless as per usual.

Absolutely ridiculous this is now going to be dragged out even more.

Why city council being spineless,?
All city council can do is pull out of the deal, and offer it again, and there probably aren't huge number of takers...

whisky_galore

Anteayer wrote: »

That strip of lights along Patrick's Bridge doesn't look great in my opinion. It totally hides all the detail of the bridge at night.

First time I have seen it tonight and I was very disappointed as I was expecting some nice architectural lighting picking out the columns and the faces on the arches. Instead it just looks like a modern bridge now due to the strip of bright LEDs along the ledge.

From down the river all I could see was the lights, not the bridge. You can't even see the expensive and ornate lamps on the balustrades because the LED strip is so bright.

Overdone alright, restoring the bridge was long overdue, they don't need to see it from space.

flo8s967qjh0nd

opus wrote: »

Looks like things have kicked off at the site as spotted some machinery in there this morning. No idea what's going to built there though.

Don't get too excited. It looks like a storage area for nearby road works.

JupiterKid

I really think this is a very exciting time for the city. The amount and extent of office development either under construction or in planning is unparalleled in the history of Cork. It will be a game changer I reckon.

Cork is on the cusp of a golden era.

[Deleted User]

Not if people have to commute from Fermoy

whisky_galore

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not if people have to commute from Fermoy

True.
Next to fcuk all housing being built, everything car-centric. Traffic getting worse, city is going to choke on its own success.

Rhys Essien

Cola Cola going to build a milk plant in Cork. What.

https://twitter.com/jamieleonard123/status/1111031639780585473?s=21

rino87

whisky_galore wrote: »

True.
Next to fcuk all housing being built, everything car-centric. Traffic getting worse, city is going to choke on its own success.

Yep. Any houses lads????

.....or high quality apartments!

hans aus dtschl

RINO87 wrote: »

Yep. Any houses lads????

.....or high quality apartments!

>600 houses/apartments currently under construction in Glanmire by O'Flynn which will all be city-zoned in a few weeks time. Not sure of the delivery date.

marno21

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Cola Cola going to build a milk plant in Cork. What.

https://twitter.com/jamieleonard123/status/1111031639780585473?s=21

N486RW & N586RW of their executive fleet were both in Dublin earlier this week. Wonder if it's connected.

snotboogie

marno21 wrote: »

N486RW & N586RW of their executive fleet were both in Dublin earlier this week. Wonder if it's connected.

Executives over from Atlanta according to reports. Very short on details though. Does anyone know what this could likely be?

Apogee

Irish Examiner wrote:

€10m social housing plan for former company HQ in Cork

Plans to convert a 1960s office block in one of Cork's most desirable residential areas into a €10m social housing scheme have been unveiled.Cork City Council has published a Part 8 planning application today seeking permission to adapt and extend the former Springville House in Blackrock, and then change its use to facilitate the development of 35 residential units within the fabric of the existing office building.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/10m-social-housing-plan-for-former-company-hq-in-cork-913645.html

Irish Examiner wrote:

An Bord Pleanala refuses planning permission for Bishoptown housing estate

An Bord Pleanala has refused planning permission for the development of a major housing development near Bishopstown in the south-west of Cork city.Developers, Ardstone Homes sought approval for the construction of 240 new units at Ardarostig, located just south of the N40. The proposals included a mix of houses and apartments, as well as a creche and new entrance onto Waterfall Rd.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/an-bord-pleanala-refuses-planning-permission-for-bishoptown-housing-estate-913964.html

rino87

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

>600 houses/apartments currently under construction in Glanmire by O'Flynn which will all be city-zoned in a few weeks time. Not sure of the delivery date.

Is there anything substantial in the actual city? (old city boundary) Glanmire is not somewhere that's appealing to me.

[Deleted User]

RINO87 wrote: »

Is there anything substantial in the actual city? (old city boundary) Glanmire is not somewhere that's appealing to me.

Glanmire is a traffic/Public-Transport blackhole, how they keep getting permission to build there is beyond me.

*Your original comment was correct*

marno21

Deleted User wrote: »

Glanmire is a traffic/Public-Transport blackhole, how they keep getting permission to build there is beyond me.

*Your original comment was correct*

It's not just a Cork issue though. Every week when I read through the SHD applications to An Bord Pleanala I see a 300 unit development in an area near Dublin with either no public transport access, poor public transport access or trains that are jam packed in the morning.

The idea in Ireland of building a proper public transport system and then utilising the surrounding land for appropriately dense residential developments still seems to be far outside the box of thought.

[Deleted User]

marno21 wrote: »

It's not just a Cork issue though. Every week when I read through the SHD applications to An Bord Pleanala I see a 300 unit development in an area near Dublin with either no public transport access, poor public transport access or trains that are jam packed in the morning.

The idea in Ireland of building a proper public transport system and then utilising the surrounding land for appropriately dense residential developments still seems to be far outside the box of thought.

At least they usually have some kind of road infrastructure, no ideal but present.
Glanmire doesn't even have capacity to put in a road.

hans aus dtschl

RINO87 wrote: »

Is there anything substantial in the actual city? (old city boundary) Glanmire is not somewhere that's appealing to me.

Not that I know of. There are distant dreams of Horgan's Quay and Monaghan Road being high-density living areas but nothing is currently under construction that I know of. Tivoli is even longer down the line.

Glounthaune has several new developments under way, just outside the new city boundary and on a good public transport corridor.

Glanmire isn't great but not for the problems people here are discussing. Yes, transport is almost entirely car-oriented at present but it only got a higher-frequency bus timetable relatively recently. The new O'Flynn development will be around 7km from the middle of the city, which would be very manageable by bicycle, if the council weren't actively undermining it by making the connecting roads as hostile as possible for cyclists.

With sustainable transport infrastructure, there's some cheap, simple, fast opportunities to really transform Glanmire. Unfortunately it's been the county council up to now, who are firmly of the "car-first" mindset, but there's an opportunity for change in the next few months with the change of council.

The bigger problem with Glanmire IMO is the lack of local community/town centre/hub. It's a bit of a sprawly mess at the moment, with single focal point.

hans aus dtschl

Deleted User wrote: »

At least they usually have some kind of road infrastructure, no ideal but present.
Glanmire doesn't even have capacity to put in a road.

There's room to put in fully segregated cycle infrastructure along the existing Glanmire-City corridor but the county council have low interest and lower capability.
I've dealt directly with some of the engineers and they struggle with even the most basic concepts of what a quality cycle corridor might entail. It's a case of footpaths for pedestrians-with-bikes.