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'Real' DJs - what do they do

magic_murph

All these world famous DJ's playing gigs and busting out the tunes.
They spend the entire set twisting knobs and moving dials.

Are they really making a difference?
I guess they have to fade in or mix one song into the next but after that are they actually changing anything we hear or are they the ultimate spoofers?

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grindle

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Here is a good example of what the OP is talking about, while I love oakie he is a legend, what exactly is he doing here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI_H_LMLO9g

Earning €50k for waving his hands and playing shít music.

GinAndBitter

Here is a good example of what the OP is talking about, while I love oakie he is a legend, what exactly is he doing here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI_H_LMLO9g

thunderdog

Agree that a lot of the big name DJs are effectively twiddling a few knobs, but if you check out some smaller electronic acts like Jon Hopkins for example, you can see a lot more going on in his live sets

greencap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDHEMdwTaWQ

[Deleted User]

Scratch Perverts. Do they count? :P

grindle

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Stuck on some of that Aphex Twin. Awful dirge - random beeps and squeaks, and not a hint of musicality about it. Sounds like kittens being blended in a food processor.

Won't mention Venetian Snares to you so!

Some of Aphex's more palatable music: blip, blep, blop, blap.

He's prolific (80+ hours of music), don't judge him only on his heaviest stuff. He's held in highest regard and treasured for very good reason.

Back OT - most festival DJs are playing prerecorded sets if it's EDM or whatever but that's not the main reason those DJs aren't worth seeing, the music there is abysmal. DJs like Surgeon or Richie Hawtin use laptops and dumping the decks hasn't robbed anything from their sets - they're more inventive than ever, constantly layering stems and loops of many tracks together. It's certainly less boring to play as a DJ when you've got that level of control and so many possibilities available to hand.

Woke Hogan

Anytime a discussion about modern music comes up you see the Hotpress-reading auld fellas shuffle in with their double denim outfits and soul patches, telling everyone that the young people wouldn't "get it" if they weren't at Féile 92.

I'm not a fan of electronic music myself but I'd rather my kids go deaf listening to that ****e than listen to the maudlin guff you'd hear from the "Rizla days and stratocasters" crowd.

Tacklebox

Radio friendly 104.6 in Cork city was a good station.

Ironically a few of the DJs crossed over to red FM.

Steve Grainger, Stevie G amongst others.

I think that Cork and Galway by far had the best DJs in the 90's

The castle in Galway and Sir Henry's were my options for weekends.

They tried hard in Limerick to emulate that scene but unfortunately they couldn't keep up with the Cork and Galway crew.

I went to Dublin a few times but it wasn't my scene.

Paudi in the Grill in Letterkenny was quite good at the more commercial dance,but Cork and Galway were definitely the best for the underground scene in the Club circuit in the 90's

francois

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Any pirate radio stations in Dublin anymore? I remember going on trips to Dublin for records and listening to a couple of pirate stations while up there, cork had radio friendly, good while it lasted.

Phever does sometimes usually around the 88 fm mark, also 24x7 at phever.ie

GinAndBitter

Did anyone else notice a progression in tastes in dance music among their group? For me and my pals we were all mad Into trance at the beginning then onto house and eventually all mad techno heads. Seems like a natural progression.

Anyone remember pulse 103fm? Frankkkk Kennedy :pac:

Billy Mays

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Any pirate radio stations in Dublin anymore? I remember going on trips to Dublin for records and listening to a couple of pirate stations while up there, cork had radio friendly, good while it lasted.

Phever is the main one now.

Power FM was the GOAT. Think they still broadcast online.

Boom_Bap

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Any pirate radio stations in Dublin anymore? I remember going on trips to Dublin for records and listening to a couple of pirate stations while up there, cork had radio friendly, good while it lasted.

No Surrender FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErMLQlS6-Rs

Sephiroth_dude

Any pirate radio stations in Dublin anymore? I remember going on trips to Dublin for records and listening to a couple of pirate stations while up there, cork had radio friendly, good while it lasted.

GinAndBitter

Mylo was **** hot when he came on the scene also, techno lovers probably won't like this one but it's a great mix all the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlH6RyVKKYc

GinAndBitter

When dance music start being called EDM and getting popular in America it all went pants. Obviously there are still good djs out there now but most of them have been around a long time. Eric Prydz' pryda and cirez d stuff is quality. I haven't bought mixmag in about 10 years but their cds were class,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgpFonI6chA

Richard Hillman

castletownman wrote: »

One thing that can be certain when a music thread such as this is started, that music snobbery is to the forefront.

It really seems to be the medium whereby people are criticized for their personal preferences more than any other.

To be fair, there are DJs out there that basically just press play on a laptop and then pretend that they're doing stuff. Then there is (as highlighted in another post) people like Carl Cox that actually go out and mix the stuff there and then.

Older DJing is a remarkable skill to be able to pull off live. Whereas yourself or myself could do a Modern DJ set just by pressing play. Look at the amount of Celebrities that just go out and do a DJ Set. There is limited skill to it.

It is akin to miming.

AndyBoBandy

thecornflake wrote: »

House or garage?

Techno always.

Early on there was some drum n bass as well, and some hip hop/scratching later on, but it was always techno.

Seen the likes of Adam Beyer, Chris Liebing, Surgeon, Carl Cox, Ben Sims, Dave Clarke, Dj Rush, Par Grindvik, Derrick May, Laurent Garnier, Marco Carola, Richie Hawtin plus many many more over the years.

Played around at a few parties and the odd pub/club here and there, and had a few goes on the radio too but the awsomeness from above was a regular hits party. I love that too, playing normal music at regular parties, especially with turntables and Serato. You have all your music, but on vinyl so you can have fun with it (see hip-hop/scratching above)

We were a very DJ family. My dad was a radio/club DJ through the 70’s / 80’s. So we were always around the scene and the equipment used. Then in the mid 90’s, my dad put a new counter in the shed* for a set of turntables and that was it. 1210’s moved in soon after and that was it.

*he had purpose built the shed for his own DJing days, so it was sound proof and perfectly set up for djing in.

Haven’t played in a good few years, but still have all the stuff, and about 30,000 tracks (digital tracks from roughly 2006-2013)

Relikk

Surprised at the lack of mentions for Sven Väth. His '97 Essential Mix (below) is incredible. Alongside Carl Cox and Richie Hawtin as one of the very best. Honourable mention to Jeff Mills, but because he tried to cram in so many tracks into his sets, his beat mixing suffered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg0odHwDUaQ

BalcombeSt4

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Where exactly is the scene you speak of? At least 10 dance clubs have been closed in Dublin over the last 15 years. What exactly is left bar one or two places. The scene is undeniably in serious decline and has been for a long time.

The problem is the music nowadays is so over produced. The analoge sound was much better quality sounding than the stuff nowadays. A 303, 808, 909 & a JP 800 made some amazing sounding music. Compare a "good" techno record to a old Harthouse record or a "good" new trance record to a Eye Q record, there is no comparing them, you can just tell by listening to them a lot more time & effort was put into the records that came out of Frankfurt Beat, Suck Me Plasma, Le Petit Prince etc.. everything, the strings, synths, snares, kicks just sounded so much more crisp & natural sounding.

EmmetSpiceland

There was a time when you had a vibrant live dance music scene, DJs mixing live whilst using prerecorded backing tracks of course.

These days it seems like it’s just one gimmicky producer after another pressing play and then throwing shapes. That’s not to say that wasn’t happening back in the 90’s either, it just wouldn’t have been done by the big hitters.

But at least we have to put up with clowns driving around in Subaru Imprezas blasting out Scooter’s “And The Beat Goes On” now.

castletownman

One thing that can be certain when a music thread such as this is started, that music snobbery is to the forefront.

It really seems to be the medium whereby people are criticized for their personal preferences more than any other.

JohnnyFlash

grindle wrote: »

Is there anything you're not a wizened curmoudgeon about? Aphex Twin is forgettable and lacks skill, sure thing. Must be why Philip Glass and Penderecki wanted to work with him, his idiotic bleep-blooping entranced them.

Less of the personals please, Grindle. Listen, some dance music is fine - I'll boogie along to it. Most of it has no lasting appeal - I remember that bald headed gimp, Moby, being all the rage about 20 years ago selling a CD of elevator and TV ad music. Seen as some type of visionary.

Stuck on some of that Aphex Twin. Awful dirge - random beeps and squeaks, and not a hint of musicality about it. Sounds like kittens being blended in a food processor.

BalcombeSt4

IMO Carl Cox is the most talented DJ since the start of the Acid House craze in the late 80's.

His signature 3 turntable mixing, which is really hard, without the fancy new stuff CDJ's & Mp3j's have at their exposel. Having to count in your head the beats (kick drum) 1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4, 16, 32 etc... to the match the speed of the other record (s) playing so the beats match up when mixing is not an easy skill by no means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e7O-QwFodU

Paris Hilton is very good also.

jester77

Lorelli! wrote: »

There's 2manydjs op!

Soulwax

You just made me throw on - As heard on radio soulwax pt. 2

Billy Mays

grindle wrote: »

This reads like you imagine good electronic music isn't made any more - get out of the house a bit. It's at it's peak now, it didn't die in 1997.

There's some brilliant techno being produced today. I've been into dance music all my life and have seen all the big name djs over the years (Garnier, Mills, Cox, Hood etc). Unexpectedly ended up at Ben Sims a couple of weeks ago and he was as good if not better than any of them.

mossy464

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Balaeric pumping or commercial pumping???

Sash or Chicane??

grindle

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Leftfield's Leftism (and by extension Rhythm & Stealth) & Daft Punk's Homework, I would consider to be seminal works in the history of dance music, and still today sound as fresh and as amazing as they ever did.

Maybe nowadays in the age of David Guetta and the likes, it has simply become Pop Dance, and like all the generic pop rubbish of today, it will not stand the test of time.

This reads like you imagine good electronic music isn't made any more - get out of the house a bit. It's at it's peak now, it didn't die in 1997.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Dance music is all a bit of a whizz isn't it? Disposable and mostly forgettable music made on computers by people who don't have the skill to make real music using instruments.

Is there anything you're not a wizened curmoudgeon about? Aphex Twin is forgettable and lacks skill, sure thing. Must be why Philip Glass and Penderecki wanted to work with him, his idiotic bleep-blooping entranced them.

Sephiroth_dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq81Sr3Z1U4

Give this a listen, sasha at his best, I think 98 - 2003 were the best years for dance music.

Boom_Bap

Dial Hard wrote: »

Hang on, they only got engaged at their own engagement party???

It's was a surprise birthday party which turned into a surprise engagement party.

Dial Hard

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

*A highlight of using original vinyl was Boom Bap's brothers engagement party , and when the question was officially popped at/for the party, I immediately followed it with Queen's 'Another One Bites the Dust' on 7 inch.

Hang on, they only got engaged at their own engagement party???