CHealy wrote: » 1. What significant budget cuts are these? As a member of Foras, the only cuts we were told about at the latest AGM was that in line of the less European money we would get this year as a result of not winning the league?? All fairly standard operating procedure, if you have access to information I somehow dont please do tell. 2. No where did I say anything about a LOI club filling any "void".
snotboogie wrote: » I agree, the best solution would be a joint stadium between Munster and CCFC that looked something like the proposal St Pats had last year. I don't see it happening though, Cork City don't own Turners Cross and are making significant budget cuts, Munster are still paying off Thomond and just put down a 4G pitch in Musgrave. Your other point about a League of Ireland team filling the void of a Pro 14 team is just fantasy stuff at this point. A league of Ireland club averaging even 10k a game is inconceivable now. Munster are getting 15k for Pro Rugby games and 25k for ERC games. Its a different world, unfortunately...
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » We could be watching munster play in Pairc ui Chaoimh next...https://www.balls.ie/rugby/donal-lenihan-munster-rugby-pairc-ui-chaoimh-404922
CHealy wrote: » LOI is already up against it enough without having false facts stated on a public domain. Its not a personal callout, its just you have stated 1. Cork has no professional sports team >>> Incorrect, Cork City FC are fully professional, and 2. Cork City dont pay their players in the off season >>> Incorrect, 52 week contracts are paid by Cork City. Munster (all the provence teams actually) have branded themselves remarkably in the last 20 years at various stages, Limerick got a brilliant stadium out of it, Galway will aswell eventually but lets not forget about whats on our doorstep. As I said if even an extra 1% of the 3 hundred thousand people in Metro Cork turned up to Cork City games a new stadium would have to be built. The Pairc would be too big and Turners Cross and Musgrave would be too small. Its a pity a joint Munster Rugby/Cork City partnership couldnt have been formed all those years ago, we might have got a smashing 15 thousand seater stadium for all teams to use.
snotboogie wrote: » No need to be so terse, I'm not trying to put down Cork City. Just being realistic the LOI is a totally different beast to the Pro 14 and ERC, attendances and budgets reflect that. I thought City got rid of a good few year round contracts with the budget cuts this year. Apologies if I got it wrong.
CHealy wrote: » All Cork City players are paid 52 weeks of the year, as are all off-field staff. Please get your facts correct. Leaving budgets aside, Cork City are every bit as professional as your beloved provinces that you seem to think makes a city.
snotboogie wrote: » Cork City don't pay most of their players in the off season so are not really fully professional. Munster, Leinster and Ulster all average in and around 15k for Pro 14 home games, Connacht get 6k and will get far more if they get their stadium. It's not really comparable with the 4k Cork City get. My point stands that there is a gaping hole in the Cork sports market.
CHealy wrote: » Ya thats fair enough, its only my opinion but I could be way off the mark and its really unfair to compare the two like you said. My original point being, Cork actually is a city that hosts a professional sports team, one who has won a League and 2 Cups in the last couple of years along with qualifing for Europe for 5 years in a row. If the average attendance went from 1.5% to 3% (of hinterland) then they would have no option but to build a 12 to 15 thousand seater stadium to cope with the growth.
munstermagic11 wrote: » Munster's lowest attendance was 5,773; for a preseason friendly. Thomand is getting about 12-14k for home Pro12 games, and the only issue for Musgrave is that capacity is only 8k (full for each game). If anything, they'd do better with more home games and easily avg way more than 4,500. But it's not a like for like comparison. Munster covers the region, Cork City has a much smaller base.
CHealy wrote: » I honestly dont think Munster would get these numbers on a regular bi-weekly basis if the league setup was the same
munstermagic11 wrote: » The M20 would be nice, but a (proper) North Ring is of greater need for Cork.
mire wrote: » Misguided cork exceptionalism has nothing to do with my point. I'm interested in knowing why live nation would sign up to a similar project in limerick, if it's not considered viable in cork.
snotboogie wrote: » As has been pointed out, Limerick got it done with Thomond Park and Cork is now the only city in the country without a professional sports team, resulting in a massive loss in revenue and a gaping hole in entertainment.
rebs23 wrote: » Limerick 2030 are already up to their neck in debt and ongoing losses due to Hanging Gardens office project only 50% let and no ongoing filming at Troy. They have way too much on their plate as they realize property development is not for the faint hearted. Concerts have traditionally been poorly supported in Limerick as well . Viability would be a major challenge in Limerick. The only viable location for an Event center is Cork due to population, catchment, variety of businesses , tourist profile etc, etc, God help the politicians in power if the Event Center doesn’t go ahead and it gets developed elsewhere .
snotboogie wrote: » The current hold up is not over viability, it is the legality of extra govt funding to compensate for an inadequate design which led to a misleading tender. Everyone has their hands tied so as not to invalidate the tender process. Limerick Council could in theory go after completely different funding, such as with the EIB who they already have a relationship with, after learning from Corks mistakes. The M20 could increase viability in any future feasiblity study
Yurt! wrote: » The M20 is a trojan horse project to bring Corkonians to Limerick's sweet rugby stadium and glistening Shannonside megadome all the quicker.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » No idea. A robust CBA would determine what/whether anything is viable up there. But we've nothing on what might/mightn't work in Limerick, other than what bangs of misguided Cork exceptionalism. Public capital is cheap at the moment, they've a unified authority. Who knows what they could try. Could be the greatest white elephant or we could be at a concert, grumbling under our breaths like we do in Thomond, why the fcuk is this not in Cork where all the people are.
marno21 wrote: » Limerick. LOL Limerick has an events centre already for the size of the market there. The concert hall at the University
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Whats nonsense is the misguided belief if something isnt viable in Cork, its not viable elsewhere. No we shouldn't be paranoid looking over our shoulders, nor should we be resting on our laurels. Public subsidies for CAP/OPEX, appropriate scaling, anothercity of > 200k an hour away. If Cork cant get it over the line, Limerick could be in business. Again. There is precedence. Edit: With another city also an hour away in the opposite direction...
mire wrote: » Do you think that live nation would sign up and commit to the same project if it were in limerick, with the same level of public subsidy? [people have this bizarre notion that if this project was somewhere else; - Docklands, limerick, it might suddenly become 'viable'. It's not the site folks, it's the numbers]
mire wrote: » The notion that an event centre could be considered viable in Limerick, having failed to get across the line in Cork with at 30,000,000 public subsidy is nonsensical. Limerick is a great city, but the notion that Cork needs to look over its shoulder and some of worry is equally nonsensical. The Limerick 2030 initiative is excellent but it is filling a gap in that city mainly because there is an absence of private sector activity in the commercial property sector.
