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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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The comparison was silly. Walsh could be argued as the worst of those three and Mayo sacrificed their best player on Saturday to follow him everywhere. If Walsh jumped into the first row of concrete benches around the edge, Keegan would've hopped in beside him. Hardly conductive to getting easy space and ball

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km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I too am all for this league final thing.

As am I now ! I had actually changed my mind before the match at the weekend anyway and was disappointed at HT when it looked unlikely we were going to make the final

On David clarke i knew he was concussed looking at him and I think the Connacht Telegraph May be jumping the gun assuming he will be let play just 7 days later

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PressRun wrote: »

I think they just might be more up for it than they were down in Tralee. I think they knew they were safe when they played us and possibly targeted the Roscommon match as the one to win to get into the league final.
I'm sure we'll be up for it too though. It's a terrific opportunity to win a national title for the first time in ages and a brilliant chance for the young fellas to get some valuable Croke Park experience before championship. I'm very excited for it and keen to see who Horan picks. No reason not to continue to trust the young players who have gotten us this far, I think.

As they said on Radio Kerry "some of these young lads might have thought, this playing for Kerry is easy, after 5 wins in a row"

I can see the narrative this week being similar to the narrative after the 2017 SF drawn game.

Then we were told that Kerry would learn more from the drawn game, just like we will be told that Kerry will learn more from the Tralee game.

Squatman

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

With the obvious exception of the addition of Clifford and the possible lack of a storm I don't see how much different Kerry will be.

Clifford and James O'Donoughe do bring a bigger scoring threat than they had last week but at the same time the areas where Mayo did better, i.e the midfield and running at the defense, will not really have changed much for Kerry

Other than Gavin White in the half back line coming back from Crokes I don't see any other additions to the Kerry midfield and defense that will solve the problems they had in Tralee.

Sure enough the younger guys might be a bit more hardy and ready for the fight than they were last week but all in all I think Mayo will have the physical edge in those areas that Kerry are at the weakest.

agreed, but whilst we will have the edge in those areas, we will still lose!

Call me Al

km79 wrote: »

As am I now ! I had actually changed my mind before the match at the weekend anyway and was disappointed at HT when it looked unlikely we were going to make the final

On David clarke i knew he was concussed looking at him and I think the Connacht Telegraph May be jumping the gun assuming he will be let play just 7 days later

I don't think Clarke will be back on Sunday eithet, notwithstanding the fact that he was signing autographs and jn hundres of selfies by 3.30 :-)

Matthew Ruane wasn't walking straight as he came off the pitch either. He might have come off with a cut to his head but I think the damage was more than that little cut.
Hopefully I'm wrong though and they're both back in and full health.

PARlance

Audioslaven wrote: »

He was very good yesterday and offered a threat when he got his hands on the ball. I would worry about his size and ability to take tight hard marking as he is a bit light.

No doubt that he's not the biggest lad around but brains over brawn (in a few cases, certainly his role) for me. An intelligent player won't be leaving himself 50/50 battles. Plenty of lads in the Dublin set-up who you would say are on the light side.

I'm just a big fan and have been from the start really. I see him giving us something that Dillon used to give us. Would love to see him getting a good run out in Croker though and I would start him for the final but all that said, I'm not sure he's in my starting 15 just yet when everyone's back. Come the Summer, it would be great to have him well established as a solid option off the bench. Something different than the 4 or 5 "strong runners" we've had (been limited) to spring from the bench in recent years.

Blackjack

PARlance wrote: »

No doubt that he's not the biggest lad around but brains over brawn (in a few cases, certainly his role) for me. An intelligent player won't be leaving himself 50/50 battles. Plenty of lads in the Dublin set-up who you would say are on the light side.

I'm just a big fan and have been from the start really. I see him giving us something that Dillon used to give us. Would love to see him getting a good run out in Croker though and I would start him for the final but all that said, I'm not sure he's in my starting 15 just yet when everyone's back. It would be great to have him well established as an option of the bench. Something different than the 4 or 5 "strong runners" we've had to spring from the bench in recent years.

He's certainly very similar to Dillon alright. he was hugely impressive at under 21. He seems to have bulked up a little so the additional strength will do him no harm. Has a great eye for the posts and he's an excellent foot-passer too.

km79

PARlance wrote: »

No doubt that he's not the biggest lad around but brains over brawn (in a few cases, certainly his role) for me. An intelligent player won't be leaving himself 50/50 battles. Plenty of lads in the Dublin set-up who you would say are on the light side.

I'm just a big fan and have been from the start really. I see him giving us something that Dillon used to give us. Would love to see him getting a good run out in Croker though and I would start him for the final but all that said, I'm not sure he's in my starting 15 just yet when everyone's back. Come the Summer, it would be great to have him well established as a solid option off the bench. Something different than the 4 or 5 "strong runners" we've had (been limited) to spring from the bench in recent years.

My thinking after Sunday is the same as this
I’ve always seen him as Alan Dillon type player and one we badly lack
But he is on the small side
However he has shown he can kick a point from long range now so certainly a real option off then bench

Loafing Oaf

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I too am all for this league final thing.

Me too. I won't be there but I bought one of these in Elverys today to put up outside the house. Mon the lads!:D

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Padkir

km79 wrote: »

My thinking after Sunday is the same as this
I’ve always seen him as Alan Dillon type player and one we badly lack
But he is on the small side
However he has shown he can kick a point from long range now so certainly a real option off then bench

He's a touch on the small side, but I think he's a lot stronger than he was in previous years, and he's not afraid to get stuck in. Thought he shook off a few tackles on Sunday that I wasn't expecting him to be able to. Reminds be a bit of Kevin McLoughlin in that regard. Great to see him playing well - he looks full of confidence.

I was fairly impressed with Darren Coen too. He's a little errant in his shooting at times, but he's good to win a ball and he's not afraid to just turn and shoot. Has a bit to go and don't think he's a starter in a full team, but a good option to have.

jr86

Squatman wrote: »

agreed, but whilst we will have the edge in those areas, we will still lose!

I'm not so sure. I think Mayo have a roaring chance here

I think we're two teams in similar situations. I don't know is it a hangover from Kerry dishing out hammerings to Mayo in the 00s but I never fully understand the pessimism so many Mayo fans of playing Kerry in recent years, when its clear they're very much a side in rebuilding. I noticed it a lot in the 2017 matches

We both had very disappointing 2018 campaigns, both eliminated earlier than usual, which gave us an opportunity to both come back much more prepared for the league with many new additions to the squad

I think its been a funny league campaign in many ways. Tyrone have only gotten going in the latter rounds, Dublin have only shown patches, Monaghan really weren't at the races (Blessed not to be relegated) and Galway were up and down throughout

So Kerry's 6 wins do need to put into context (as admittedly do Mayo's 5), in that I'm not sure how much evidence there is they have actually improved hugely on last year just yet, given the standard of opposition at this early stage in the season.

I'm not trying to be overly disrespectful to Kerry here, and maybe this is all wishful thinking. I have no doubt all this minor success will lead to senior success in the future, however I'm not sure they'll have the balance in their side just yet. I certainly would give Mayo a fine chance here, as I would have given to Galway or Tyrone if they got through

PressRun

I get the impression people think I'm being pessimisstic? I'm not! I think this final is a great opportunity. I just think it could be very competitive match, which will do us no harm either.

yop

PressRun wrote: »

I get the impression people think I'm being pessimisstic? I'm not! I think this final is a great opportunity. I just think it could be very competitive match, which will do us no harm either.

Nope, we should be expecting to win it. We have a strong bench to back us up, key will be Clifford and O'Shea and how their performances are. Clifford should still be coming back from his time out, both could destroy us on their day

manofwisdom

Some stats from the Tralee match.

Kerry

First half with the strong wind

0-7 from 17 efforts on goal

Second half

0-4 from 8 efforts on goals.

Total 0-11 from 25 scoring opportunities

Mayo

1st half

0-4 from 8 efforts on goal

2nd half With the strong wind

1-6 from 13 efforts on goal

Total 1-10 from 21 scoring opportunities

In summary a contest ruined by the wind. The goal was key and Kerry more wasteful when they had the strong wind advantage cost them.

Clifford if he starts could bring the xfactor and on dry calm day Sean O'Shea could cause serious. For Mayo to win they will need to dominate the middle eight again and deliver a top defensive performance.

centralchill

yop wrote: »

Nope, we should be expecting to win it. We have a strong bench to back us up, key will be Clifford and O'Shea and how their performances are. Clifford should still be coming back from his time out, both could destroy us on their day

How did the other two younger players from Claremorris play on Sunday? I didnt see the game... Diskin and McCormack?

seligehgit

Squatman wrote: »

agreed, but whilst we will have the edge in those areas,we will still lose!

50 50 game IMO.

Although in an overall sense we have a dismal record against Kerry in the championship and many of us are still haunted by the 2014 semi final replay.:(

Some of the historical baggage in relation to the past vis a vis the kingdom has been overcome by this group of players.

However checking back on the records we've never beaten them in a national final.So same has to be put right and there's no time like the present.:)

seligehgit

centralchill wrote: »

How did the other two younger players from Claremorris play on Sunday? I didnt see the game... Diskin and McCormack?

Conor Diskin went off injured in the first half.He had'nt made a huge impression although if I recall correctly he set up one point.The jury is out,he's very young and needs more game time but unlikely to get a lot of it at this point in time.

James Mc Cormack had a decent game,plenty of gas in the tank and scored a nice point in the first half.Definite potential there.

yop

centralchill wrote: »

How did the other two younger players from Claremorris play on Sunday? I didnt see the game... Diskin and McCormack?

Very happy with them. Lots of potential. Our young players have been excellent in this campaign. A real plus.

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Conor Diskin went off injured in the first half.He had'nt made a huge impression although if I recall correctly he set up one point.The jury is out,he's very young and needs more game time but unlikely to get a lot of it at this point in time.

James Mc Cormack had a decent game,plenty of gas in the tank and scored a nice point in the first half.Definite potential there.

He showed up really well and he has good pace. He was mad to get into attacking and if he was seen in one instance by AOS across the other side of the pitch(all alone), he would have been in for a goal as Monaghan were down to 14.

Loafing Oaf

Do we think Horan will be entirely focused on winning Sunday's game when it comes to his team selection. Or will there still be a degree of experimentation with an eye on the 'real business' of the championship.

brendanwalsh

Only ****e tickets on sale
When will upper tiers be released?

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Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Do we think Horan will be entirely focused on winning Sunday's game when it comes to his team selection. Or will there still be a degree of experimentation with an eye on the 'real business' of the championship.

OH I think they will go for it.

It's a national final, a chance of silverware.

The league business is done, this is now an once off game
They should have learned enough in the last 7 games to know what to work towards for the championship

I don't think they would do any else but be totally focused on this game.

PressRun

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Do we think Horan will be entirely focused on winning Sunday's game when it comes to his team selection. Or will there still be a degree of experimentation with an eye on the 'real business' of the championship.

I think he will stick with the players who got them this far. Why not? Would be unfair to drop them.

cocoman

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Only ****e tickets on sale
When will upper tiers be released?

Just noticed that too. I can't get 4 together in Lower Cusack. Keep a check on it tomorrow for upper level.

Loafing Oaf

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

OH I think they will go for it.

It's a national final, a chance of silverware.

The league business is done, this is now an once off game
They should have learned enough in the last 7 games to know what to work towards for the championship

I don't think they would do any else but be totally focused on this game.

I dunno. The team Horan put out for the Monaghan game suggests winning the league is not a high priority for him.

BandMember

cocoman wrote: »

Just noticed that too. I can't get 4 together in Lower Cusack. Keep a check on it tomorrow for upper level.

The Lower Cusack is "reserved" for season ticket holders from competing counties (i.e. they will all be seated there first), so there will be very few tickets available for it. You've a far better chance getting four together in the Lower Hogan.

Always_Running

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I dunno. The team Horan put out for the Monaghan game suggests winning the league is not a high priority for him.

I'd agree with Tod, in the final now and in it to win it. Team Mayo will start on Sunday will likely be a stronger and more experienced team than what will start v New York in May.

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Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I dunno. The team Horan put out for the Monaghan game suggests winning the league is not a high priority for him.

But the Monaghan game was completely different.

Winning that gave you nothing other than a win, they needed other results to get to the final.

Sunday is a one off game with a national title up for grabs.

Completely different.

cocoman

BandMember wrote: »

The Lower Cusack is "reserved" for season ticket holders from competing counties (i.e. they will all be seated there first), so there will be very few tickets available for it. You've a far better chance getting four together in the Lower Hogan.

Bringing the kids so looks like I'll be in the Davin

muddle84

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Always_Running wrote: »

I'd agree with Tod, in the final now and in it to win it. Team Mayo will start on Sunday will likely be a stronger and more experienced team than what will start v New York in May.

Based on Horans approach to the league I believe what he is saying about his approach. He will start the lads that are doing the best in training. Age or experience doesn't matter. I think this is how he will pick the team next weekend, it doesn't matter how they played in the past if they're getting roasted in training then they're on the bench or on the stand. I think this is a great approach!

grbear

Plainly my arguments from last week about why Mayo should take the Monaghan game seriously were used by Horan on Sunday. Only logical explanation I can think of.

I'm surprised Kerry are strong favourites for Sunday. It seems like it should be an even enough match.