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Drink driving-virtue signaling gone mad

Bobtheman

I realise we have to have laws on this but to be honest I wonder if the checkpoints in the morning should be done way with ? Or perhaps less checkpoints overall?

I honestly think its ok to drive a short distance (1-3 miles) with 3 pints. There I said it . We allow people to drink heavily which is always a health risk but seem hell bent on persecuting people with a few pints? Im talking about rural areas.

No I dont drive drunk. Never have.

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Elemonator wrote: »

This is insane.

3 pints affects everyone differently. I've seen lads down three pints and not a breeze on them. I've seen others drink 3 and get sick. Only a few short years ago, a girl I knew was out socialising with friends. Got offered a lift home with a man on a few pints. The journey was 3km. On that straight road, he drove into a wall and killed her instantly.

The tolerance for drink driving should be no pints. If you cannot socialise without alcohol, that's your problem.

Totally agree, yet there will be idiots like the healy raes and their ilk who say you should be allowed 3 pints.

mzungu

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Well firstly the limits are too low which is why people are over in the morning and secondly you are in a totally different frame of mind. You have slept, had your breakfast and are awake and ready for the day not on a buzz from a night out etc. Sure it’s only in the last few years anyone even mentioned the morning after, everyone just drove the next day afte a sleep and never even considered it an issue. It’s nanny state stuff as usual.

One sure fire way to not be over the limit the morning after, is to not drink the night before.

[Deleted User]

Steve wrote: »

Could you not download them before the journey?

If you're using data through your cars UI then you're not posting on facebook or uploading things to Insta, it's fully voice controlled and you get up your maps, switch between music and podcasts etc. You never take your hands off the wheel or have anything onscreen that needs attention.

I don't see how banning that would make a difference, it's like banning speaking or radios.

mzungu

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

What about streaming music, podcast, radio stations and books or using sat nav? Then passengers etc. also with CarPlay etc you can have your messages read to you and reply etc without ever looking at the phone and all these make those of us who do long drives have a much nicer experience.

It’s an absolutely crazy suggestion to ban data you might as well say we should ban driving.

I also agree with the op, the limit is too low should be set up allow the average man to have 3 pints or so and drive home and morning bagging is a disgrace.

No, it's not. If you can't drive without the need to have a few pints on board then you are not fit to be on the roads.

lawred2

Bobtheman wrote: »

I realise we have to have laws on this but to be honest I wonder if the checkpoints in the morning should be done way with ? Or perhaps less checkpoints overall?

I honestly think its ok to drive a short distance (1-3 miles) with 3 pints. There I said it . We allow people to drink heavily which is always a health risk but seem hell bent on persecuting people with a few pints? Im talking about rural areas.

No I dont drive drunk. Never have.

I think you're wrong personally but even if I didn't; how would allowing people with three pints driving between 1-3 miles as a law work?

Where's the virtue signaling by the way?

Do you see anti drink driving as a right on cause for SJWs or something?

Sac O Spuds

There are people who drink and drive. They take the chance. The Gardai checkpoints aren't a regular sight at night. In 24 yrs of driving I've encountered less than 10 late night checkpoints.
What's more the Gardai were cranking up the drink drive arrest figures when in actual fact they weren't setting up the checkpoints.

[Deleted User]

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

I wonder will driving bans rocket now because of the lower limit automatically making most people over the limit the morning after. It would be quite embarrassing to get done for drink driving and possibly losing your job because you're over the limit by .01

That's a good reason not to go drinking on a night before you'll be driving then.

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Sometime yes, sometimes I listen to live radio not available here or change what I’m listening to along the way, feel like something different in Spotify etc etc. I also reply to WhatsApp messages etc using CarPlay or dictating to my Apple Watch and generally use data quite a lot while driving. It would be a massive inconvenience for me but look it’s never ever going to happen so not worth worry about.

While all entirely legal once you're not actually touching or holding the phone, it has to distract you from safe driving if you're dictating text messages or anything else while driving.

Steve

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Sometime yes, sometimes I listen to live radio not available here or change what I’m listening to along the way, feel like something different in Spotify etc etc. I also reply to WhatsApp messages etc using CarPlay or dictating to my Apple Watch and generally use data quite a lot while driving. It would be a massive inconvenience for me but look it’s never ever going to happen so not worth worry about.

I'm sure (and let's hope it never comes to this) that a judge would not agree that your 'convenience' was a mitigating factor in an accident that - perhaps- caused the deaths of a school bus full of children, because you were momentarily distracted by loading a spotify feed.

Elemonator

This is insane.

3 pints affects everyone differently. I've seen lads down three pints and not a breeze on them. I've seen others drink 3 and get sick. Only a few short years ago, a girl I knew was out socialising with friends. Got offered a lift home with a man on a few pints. The journey was 3km. On that straight road, he drove into a wall and killed her instantly.

The tolerance for drink driving should be no pints. If you cannot socialise without alcohol, that's your problem.

Wailin

"Virtue signalling".....Christ, what have we become. That and "faux outrage" .....two phrases that boils the blood.

Bob Harris

I'm amazed the Dunne hasn't posted here yet.

pablo128

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

I wonder will driving bans rocket now because of the lower limit automatically making most people over the limit the morning after. It would be quite embarrassing to get done for drink driving and possibly losing your job because you're over the limit by .01

Well if that's not a serious deterrent, I don't know what is.

Maybe ads for preventing drink driving should show ladies and gentlemen having to remove all their possessions from their office before loading them into a taxi, and then shaking hands with all their ex-colleagues.

[Deleted User]

Steve wrote: »

Could you not download them before the journey?

Sometime yes, sometimes I listen to live radio not available here or change what I’m listening to along the way, feel like something different in Spotify etc etc. I also reply to WhatsApp messages etc using CarPlay or dictating to my Apple Watch and generally use data quite a lot while driving. It would be a massive inconvenience for me but look it’s never ever going to happen so not worth worry about.

Steve

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

I’d rather live with the tiny risks for the massive advantages of having data in the car. I very much enjoy my long drives as I enjoy listening to various different things that involve data.

Could you not download them before the journey?

TheChizler

Steve wrote: »

Sat nav is the only exception I'd make.

I've done long distance driving, I agree it's incredibly boring, I did it before there was sat nav, had to pull over somewhere to look at a map to figure out where you were and where to go next..
The biggest danger back then was people trying to read a map while driving...

Do I really want to be able to see or comment on the dress my sister is planning on wearing while manipulating 1500kg of steel at 120kph?

If passengers on a bus are slightly inconvenienced before I kill them all in a crash because I was uploading a snapchat is it not a price worth paying?

Do you have any stats on the numbers of deaths due to data usage? Is it comparable to drink driving? I'm struggling to see how it's relevant here.

Bigmac1euro

I wonder will driving bans rocket now because of the lower limit automatically making most people over the limit the morning after. It would be quite embarrassing to get done for drink driving and possibly losing your job because you're over the limit by .01

[Deleted User]

Steve wrote: »

Sat nav is the only exception I'd make.

I've done long distance driving, I agree it's incredibly boring, I did it before there was sat nav, had to pull over somewhere to look at a map to figure out where you were and where to go next..
The biggest danger back then was people trying to read a map while driving...

Do I really want to be able to see or comment on the dress my sister is planning on wearing while manipulating 1500kg of steel at 120kph?

If passengers on a bus are slightly inconvenienced before I kill them all in a crash because I was uploading a snapchat is it not a price worth paying?

I’d rather live with the tiny risks for the massive advantages of having data in the car. I very much enjoy my long drives as I enjoy listening to various different things that involve data.

As I said you might as well say ban driving, ban radios, ban heaters sure they distract you setting the heat, ban kids in cars etc etc

Steve

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

What about streaming music, podcast, radio stations and books or using sat nav? Then passengers etc. also with CarPlay etc you can have your messages read to you and reply etc without ever looking at the phone and all these make those of us who do long drives have a much nicer experience.

It’s an absolutely crazy suggestion to ban data you might as well say we should ban driving.

I also agree with the op, the limit is too low should be set up allow the average man to have 3 pints or so and drive home and morning bagging is a disgrace.

Sat nav is the only exception I'd make.

I've done long distance driving, I agree it's incredibly boring, I did it before there was sat nav, had to pull over somewhere to look at a map to figure out where you were and where to go next..
The biggest danger back then was people trying to read a map while driving...

Do I really want to be able to see or comment on the dress my sister is planning on wearing while manipulating 1500kg of steel at 120kph?

If passengers on a bus are slightly inconvenienced before I kill them all in a crash because I was uploading a snapchat is it not a price worth paying?

pablo128

Emiliano Many Cardinal wrote: »

Well firstly the limits are too low which is why people are over in the morning and secondly you are in a totally different frame of mind. You have slept, had your breakfast and are awake and ready for the day not on a buzz from a night out etc. Sure it’s only in the last few years anyone even mentioned the morning after, everyone just drove the next day afte a sleep and never even considered it an issue. It’s nanny state stuff as usual.

What about the lad out drinking till 4.30 am and then falls out of the bed for work at 7. Late. Then stumbles out to the car without so much as a cup of tea in him and drives 20 miles to work.

That is why there are drink driving checks in the mornings. For idiots like him, and there are plenty of them.

10pennymixup

vandriver wrote: »

'...I've lost too many friends over the years as the result of drunk drivers...'

Really?

Bobtheman wrote: »

Really?

I've only lost the one..........my little brother..............I feel one is more than enough to have an opinion on the selfish gob****ery that's coming out of some posters holes.

[Deleted User]

Amirani wrote: »

Your right to drive under licence, obviously. Fairly pointless pedantry as I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain cell would understand that's what someone meant when they talked about a driver's right to drive.

There is no 'right to drive' with or without a licence. Rights are set out in the constitution or in law. There is no 'right to drive' full stop.

It's not pedantry. It is an important distinction for discussions like this.

pablo128

the beer revolu wrote: »

It beggars belief that some people seem to condone driving over the alcohol limit dependant on the time of day.

What fcuking blind difference does it make what time of day it is ? If you are over the limit, you are over the limit. Why is that OK just because it's the morning?

It's stupidity beyond belief to think this way.

It also beggars belief that some people think it's ok for boggers to drive around with drink on them but not Dubs.

[Deleted User]

the beer revolu wrote: »

It beggars belief that some people seem to condone driving over the alcohol limit dependant on the time of day.

What fcuking blind difference does it make what time of day it is ? If you are over the limit, you are over the limit. Why is that OK just because it's the morning?

It's stupidity beyond belief to think this way.

Well firstly the limits are too low which is why people are over in the morning and secondly you are in a totally different frame of mind. You have slept, had your breakfast and are awake and ready for the day not on a buzz from a night out etc. Sure it’s only in the last few years anyone even mentioned the morning after, everyone just drove the next day afte a sleep and never even considered it an issue. It’s nanny state stuff as usual.

the beer revolu

It beggars belief that some people seem to condone driving over the alcohol limit dependant on the time of day.

What fcuking blind difference does it make what time of day it is ? If you are over the limit, you are over the limit. Why is that OK just because it's the morning?

It's stupidity beyond belief to think this way.

jjpep

If there wasn't so much drink driving people would probably feel safe enough to walk or cycle home after the pub.

[Deleted User]

Uncharted wrote:

Passengers on a bus are not allowed use the internet in case the driver is distracted somehow?? Wtf?

Ban all children from cars unless they are sedated. They can be the biggest distraction for any driver.

[Deleted User]

Steve wrote: »

Yes some will lose out on some facebook or instagram posts but is the benefit of people not dying worth the cost?

What about streaming music, podcast, radio stations and books or using sat nav? Then passengers etc. also with CarPlay etc you can have your messages read to you and reply etc without ever looking at the phone and all these make those of us who do long drives have a much nicer experience.

It’s an absolutely crazy suggestion to ban data you might as well say we should ban driving.

I also agree with the op, the limit is too low should be set up allow the average man to have 3 pints or so and drive home and morning bagging is a disgrace.

Guy:Incognito

Bobtheman wrote: »

I realise we have to have laws on this but to be honest I wonder if the checkpoints in the morning should be done way with ? Or perhaps less checkpoints overall?

I honestly think its ok to drive a short distance (1-3 miles) with 3 pints. There I said it . We allow people to drink heavily which is always a health risk but seem hell bent on persecuting people with a few pints? Im talking about rural areas.

No I dont drive drunk. Never have.

People are free to drink themselves to death if they want. It's when you try to take others with you the law steps in.

Steve

Uncharted wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. Have you thought your suggestion through whatsoever?

Passengers on a bus are not allowed use the internet in case the driver is distracted somehow?? Wtf?

No, people moving over a certain speed aren't allowed... for the common good.

K.Flyer

Bobtheman wrote: »

I honestly think its ok to drive a short distance (1-3 miles) with 3 pints. There I said it.

Come back and let us know how you feel about people driving with "only a few pints" on them after they smash their car into a family members car putting an adult and two children in hospital.
These days anyone drinking and driving is a selfish fcuking retard, so fcuk them, their car, their license, their income and anyone else who condones it.