ongarboy wrote: I understand that because it happened at 9:30pm, would it be fair to say the doors to the venue wouldn't be open yet? Nightclubs rarely open before 11pm anyway so I suppose you wouldn't expect staff or doormen to be on duty until official opening time.
Ave Sodalis wrote: » It was a teenage disco. They usually start some time between 9 and half 9, and finish at midnight.
Saint Sonner wrote: » In my opinion I don't think lack of training can be used here (I don't know whether they had it or not). This incident did not take seconds it took minutes upon minutes..... training or no training any strong adult employed by the hotel in the premises should have been out there when this horrific event started to transpire but by all accounts they weren't. I know the venue well as it is our local hotel - it is a small venue there at least a dozen windows on the front of the building and the ones where the crowd had gathered are facing into reception. The disco hadn't even started so there can't be an excuse of they needed security inside to manage the crowd!
Denver Glamorous Carp wrote: » If the disco hadn't started its likely the full compliment of security weren't in work yet. Again, I don't know the place but in my experience the first budget cuts in clubs, bars and disco's starts with security. Like I've said already venue's are usually understaffed when it comes to security. I've never worked in a single venue which was up to strength, not a single one. Head doormen are always asking for more staff, and security company supervisors are always looking for more security staff, barmen and women always look for more security staff and when things go tits up EVERYONE wants more security staff, but club owners won't pay so they'll get a minimum number required from the head doorman and chop that number again. Security is very expensive, its not a job that people take on long term so its hard to get experienced staff, and experienced staff don't come cheap. Doorstaff and event security are given no crowd control training, there's no legal requirement for either north or south of the border, maybe this should change. Another thing worth considering is the numbers of staff employed for a Paddy's Day disco. Again club owners won't pay for extra staff or longer hours, most won't even pay a bonus for working that night. Paddy's Day is crazy in any venue, its a nightmare because you're expected to work a packed venue with the usual weekend compliment of security staff. Then if you have buses emptying into a closed venue, no one to supervise the crowd and a crush zone, this was probably always likely to happen and I'd be surprised if concerns hadn't been raised in the past.
Shn99 wrote: » 2 arrested on corporate manslaughter groundshttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/two-men-arrested-in-connection-with-st-patricks-day-disco-deaths-37930777.html
