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Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-mass-shooting-christchurch-mosque-police-respond-active-shooter-situation

Rip to all involved.

Filmed himself doing it and videos are on the net/YouTube.

Mod Note:

Please do not propagate videos or links to manifestos in this thread. Given the seriousness and impact of this event, its just not appropriate right now.

Given this happened this morning, i dont want any victim blaming or conspiracy theories that have no direct basis or backing in fact..

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Skylinehead

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i will leave you with this extract, in praise of our Muslim brothers!

Globally, Muslims have the highest fertility rate, an average of 2.9 children per woman—well above replacement level (2.1) and also a younger age profile (median age of 24) compared to other religious groups.[4] Hindu fertility (2.4) is similar to the global average (2.5).[5] Worldwide, Jewish fertility (2.3 children[6] per woman) also is above replacement level.[7] Most of the religious groups have fertility levels too low to sustain their populations and would require converts to grow or maintain their size: indigenous and tribal religions (1.8 children per woman), other religions (1.7), the unaffiliated (1.7) and Buddhists (1.6).[8]

"This significant projected growth is largely due to the young age and high fertility rate of Muslims".[9][10]

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Mod: Stay out.

goat2

His grandmother was on one of the news channels, surname is Fitzgerald,

tuxy

goat2 wrote: »

His grandmother was on one of the news channels, surname is Fitzgerald,

Well he did claim he was from Irish, English and Scottish ancestry.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

well done. you answered correctly. Top marks.
he is a FAILURE. he knows it. you know it. we all know it.

ironically 'cos he couldn't get it up, the sad little runt is part of "the problem" in that he was incapable of even replacing himself.

meanwhile our fecund Muslim brothers keep growing & growing. :D:D

Mod note: Wheres Me Jumper?, don't post in this thread again, you are totally out of sync with this thread.

Buford T. Justice.

RandomName2

Deleted User wrote: »

Today, online at any rate, Muslims are the most easily and frequently dehumanised group.

I think there'd be grounds to say that people of certain political persuasions are more easily dehumanized, but I'll ignore that and look only at religion.

The Christian Evangelicals would most likely disagree with you there. I wouldn't be surprised if I stumble over a Jesus parody in the next 10 minutes. Doesn't really matter to you or I, but I'm sure to those 'of faith' the constant jabs online and in media are felt to some extent.

How easy was that? It's grand, nobody's going to bat an eye. I think that's the only religion that one can do that with.

The non-Abrahamic religions are going to be somewhat removed from online 'dehumanization' for multi-faceted reasons which are predominantly pretty self-evident.

Now, you might say that Christians are less likely to be persecuted than Muslims. That would really depend on where you are talking about. Clearly in the West, you would be correct, whilst clearly it is the case that countries where Christians are a minority (like Pakistan or Egypt) the reverse is true. Online dehumanization being a root cause of persecution in either case is tenuous.

Is is nearly 20 years since 9/11 and this is the first major terrorist attack targeting Muslim people in a Western country. The internet has been around for all that time, and there's no grounds to suggest that the landscape has changed in any way. If anything, there is likely to be less dehumanization than in the immediate wake of 9/11, the war on the Taliban, the Iraq war, the hunt for bin laden, and the long series of terrorist attacks on Western countries. I think hand-wringing in terms of the nefarious influence of the internet can probably take a back seat.

Edit: most of those anti-Irish images that you linked to seem to originate from the US in the late 19th century. Just saying that it doesn't do much to underpin your argument.

SEPT 23 1989

I thought there would have been a massive attack in Europe this weekend in retaliation over this

Have states got a handle on this now?

RandomName2

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I thought there would have been a massive attack in Europe this weekend in retaliation over this

Have states got a handle on this now?

A twitter handle for ISIS apparently declared that 'Revenge is coming' (since deleted), but I think that organization is too busy holding onto its last village in Syria to organize any sophisticated attack these days.

Dante7

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I thought there would have been a massive attack in Europe this weekend in retaliation over this

Have states got a handle on this now?

ISIS don't work like that. Especially now. It is very possible that this will lead to retaliation attacks, but they will more likely be "inspired" by ISIS as opposed to being directly linked. The ISIS media wing will be reluctant to claim any such attacks unless the perpetrator dies.

GinAndBitter

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I thought there would have been a massive attack in Europe this weekend in retaliation over this

Have states got a handle on this now?

Probably not capable of a big attack at a few days notice but I hope it's what you think and the intelligence agencies are all over them. A lot of attacks have been foiled, well that's what we are being told anyway.

James Brown

There may be some random chap with mental problems filled with hate looking to commit murders and he'll likely cite ISIS. In fact I would say ISIS nearly claimed the New Zeland attacks before the full details came out.
In short we need be worried about random people who use ISIS as an excuse rather than any network. This Australian lad gave a Nazi salute in court but theres no fear of that network for some reason. A racist white lad murders people and we should be concerned about the demographic the victims belong to?

BattleCorp

riclad wrote: »

I think at this point in time its obvious its time for every country to ban the purchase of semi automatic weapons , machine guns by civilians .

There are approximately 200,000 guns in Ireland. We have never had a mass shooting with a legally held firearm. We actually have one of the lowest instances in the world of people being killed with licenced firearms. Are you suggesting banning law abiding citizens from owning firearms?

Sports shooters use semi-automatic firearms. Olympic shooters use semi-automatic firearms. Are you suggesting banning these?

Here in Ireland you can't get a gun because you want one. You have to have a reason for having it and satisfy the Gardaí that you are of sound mind and of good character. You actually have to give the Gardaí permission that nobody else in the state has, that's access to your medical history.

Should someone who does all that be denied access to firearms?

There should be strict laws on gun control ,anyone who commits a serious crime should not be allowed to buy a gun or rifle of any kind.

That's law is already in place here in Ireland.

All weapons have to registered and there have to rules re storage of weapons, and the purchase of bullets and ammunition

That law is also in place here in Ireland.

I can not think of a reason why ordinary people need to purchase machine guns.

You can't have a machine gun in Ireland. With the permission of the Gardai, you can have a semi-auto firearm which isn't quite the same thing.

Australia had one mass shooting and brought in strict gun comtrol laws
and has had no serious incidents since.

Does 7 people count as a mass shooting? That happened in Australia recently.

By the way, Australia bought back those guns from law abiding citizens. Good luck trying to buy back those guns in America and other countries. Not a snowballs chance in hell that even 10% of them would be handed up.

There many religions in the world, millions of muslims live in the uk and america, and europe, 99.9 per cent of them do not commit any crime and simply live in peace.

I am guessing that you are saying don't tar all religious nutters with the one brush because 99.9% of religious people don't commit any crime and simply live in peace.

99.9% of all gun owners are the same, law abiding and peaceful, yet you are happy to tar all gun owners with the one brush and remove their guns. Guns that they use for lawful purposes.

I have great sympathy for those killed in the NZ atrocity but knee-jerk laws tend to be poor laws and penalising the 99.9% of lawful gun owners for the action of one nutter is wrong in my opinion.

Muahahaha

friendlyfun wrote: »

Sad thing is that this crazy guy has probably already inspired many lunatics around the world. 4chan's "pol"(Politically incorrect) will continue promulgate anti-Semitism, Racism, and basically all the nasty ****. The guy posted to 4chan regularly. I have had a look around it a couple of times and stuff people come out with their is actually extremely repulsive.

Had a look at 8chan in the aftermath and they were celebrating what he did. I'd hope the intellegence agencies know who these people are but with VPNs it wouldn't be certain.

Tacklebox

I often hear 4chan and 8chan mentioned on board's.
I thought at first it was an oriental forum or something.

What's the Chan's story ?

Strazdas

Tacklebox wrote: »

I often hear 4chan and 8chan mentioned on board's.
I thought at first it was an oriental forum or something.

What's the Chan's story ?

I've never used it but I've heard it's some form of discussion forum where posts get automatically deleted very quickly (meaning individuals can post the most horrendous hate filled stuff and get away with it......perfect for racists and extremists etc).

Dante7

The Islamists are already starting to draw up their lists of people who need to be silenced. Maajid Hawas, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray. Anyone who has criticised Islam must now be silenced.

Robert ninja

Tacklebox wrote: »

I often hear 4chan and 8chan mentioned on board's.
I thought at first it was an oriental forum or something.

What's the Chan's story ?

On 8, uncensored image board. If it's not illegal and not off board-topic, you can post it. I use them all the time for uncensored conversations (mostly just gaming) but the heavy price is some of the sickest stuff imaginable, which one can thankfully block.

Skylinehead

Dante7 wrote: »

The Islamists are already starting to draw up their lists of people who need to be silenced. Maajid Hawas, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray. Anyone who has criticised Islam must now be silenced.

Would you stop with the bullshit?

theguzman

Nixonbot wrote: »

Would you stop with the bullshit?

Exactly because anyone who criticises Islam is routinely threatened, these threats are however not coming from regular Muslims but rather Muslim extremists.

davedanon

Manic Moran wrote: »

There is a fair bit of biting satire in the manifesto, he also makes it a commentary on society's responses to these events. The video games thing or the Navy Seals memes are jabs in the eye at what is commonly said in the world, not serious commentary.

Such a pity that the world has been deprived of a literary talent, all because of a bit of shooting, and only brown people at that.

The Nal

Finding all the false flag stuff quite sad. There are some utter idiots out there.

Dante7

Nixonbot wrote: »

Would you stop with the bullshit?

https://i.imgur.com/Zi8TqRf.jpg

Dante7

And Chelsea Clinton being harassed and blamed for this attack. Because she spoke out about anti-Semitism. Anyone who even remotely criticises Islam is now complicit in this attack.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/03/17/chelsea-clinton-confronted-rashida-tlaib-sotu-vpx.cnn

biggebruv

Robert ninja wrote: »

On 8, uncensored image board. If it's not illegal and not off board-topic, you can post it. I use them all the time for uncensored conversations (mostly just gaming) but the heavy price is some of the sickest stuff imaginable, which one can thankfully block.

Oh Jesus that sounds horrible couldn’t you just stick to resetera or neogaf
I wouldn’t wanna risk seeing horrible stuff like that does it come up when you enter that 8chan site

Skylinehead

Dante7 wrote: »

https://i.imgur.com/Zi8TqRf.jpg

No, I meant

Mod: Quit the bull****. It's irrelevant. This is about NZ.

lbc2019

https://twitter.com/SBSNews/status/1107499346319204353

TomSweeney

Dante7 wrote: »

The Islamists are already starting to draw up their lists of people who need to be silenced. Maajid Hawas, Sam Harris, Douglas Murray. Anyone who has criticised Islam must now be silenced.

This was one of the 1st things that I was worried about as soon as I heard.
Wrong people being blamed and an excuse to ban any critical speech toward Islam.

iamwhoiam

lbc2019 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SBSNews/status/1107499346319204353

That is so moving . Thanks for posting

TomSweeney

theguzman wrote: »

Exactly because anyone who criticises Islam is routinely threatened, these threats are however not coming from regular Muslims but rather Muslim extremists.

Interesting thing, I was talking to one guy who has a popular twitter profile and he is critical of Islam.
He said he is NEVER threatened by Islamists - always by far leftists.
And it's always pretty severe, they go after his employer to demand he is sacked and when that doesn't work - violence.

judeboy101

Anyone else find it ironic that a girl started singing 'imagine', while devout Muslims were mourning their dead, hoping that they had gone to a better place.

Sardonicat

judeboy101 wrote: »

Anyone else find it ironic that a girl started singing 'imagine', while devout Muslims were mourning their dead, hoping that they had gone to a better place.