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Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-mass-shooting-christchurch-mosque-police-respond-active-shooter-situation

Rip to all involved.

Filmed himself doing it and videos are on the net/YouTube.

Mod Note:

Please do not propagate videos or links to manifestos in this thread. Given the seriousness and impact of this event, its just not appropriate right now.

Given this happened this morning, i dont want any victim blaming or conspiracy theories that have no direct basis or backing in fact..

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Call Me Jimmy

El_Bee wrote: »

As far as Pewdiepie is concerned, he's courted and payed lip-service to the alt right ever since their inception, I don't have much sympathy for him to be honest.

Pewdiepie is an ethnonationalist. He hates non-whites and dog whistles to people who are on the verge of genocide. In light of this attack, the phrase 'subscribe to pewdiepie' must be considered a call to violence.

Boggles

batgoat wrote: »

Well, legislation on firearms did prevent another Dunblane massacre happening. Similar for Australia. So yep you're gonna get bombers but spree shootings have been eradicated in the UK and Australia.

TBH I think they were so rare in the UK and Australia, it's very hard to state that gun control eradicated them.

Well we know for a fact it didn't eradicate them in the UK.

The culture unlike other countries just didn't exist.

[Deleted User]

batgoat wrote: »

Well, legislation on firearms did prevent another Dunblane massacre happening. Similar for Australia. So yep you're gonna get bombers but spree shootings have been eradicated in the UK and Australia.

Not true. The Cumbria Shootings . Derrick Bird killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England in 2010.

biko

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I really don't like that the okay hand gesture has been hijacked.

Unfortunately this could mean a regular unknowing person gets attacked by Antifa or some other violent group that think this meme is a real thing.

On topic, there are many similarities between Breivik's attack 2011 and this guy.
I hope it's not a start of lone-wolf "revenge" attacks

batgoat

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Do we know that for sure?

I’d imagine it made it quite a bit more difficult and a helluva lot more expensive to get your hands on weapons.

Now that may not have stopped the IRA, but it likely slowed them down. And it almost definitely deterred some young folk who would have loved the glory of taking out a Brit but weren’t actually in any group.

Well, legislation on firearms did prevent another Dunblane massacre happening. Similar for Australia. So yep you're gonna get bombers but spree shootings have been eradicated in the UK and Australia.

KikiLaRue

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It didn’t stop any actual terrorist of course.

Do we know that for sure?

I’d imagine it made it quite a bit more difficult and a helluva lot more expensive to get your hands on weapons.

Now that may not have stopped the IRA, but it likely slowed them down. And it almost definitely deterred some young folk who would have loved the glory of taking out a Brit but weren’t actually in any group.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

If the thumbs up gets taken away I'll give up.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

biko wrote: »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-terrorist-attack-suspect-grins-court-190316011147796.html

Lol, this is what happens when you use idiots as reporters. Or maybe they are just not in touch.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1249757-ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C

I really don't like that the okay hand gesture has been hijacked, there aren't that many to begin with. Always used it as an okay symbol, but also in school you'd try to get someone to look at the circle. Feels like if the word fag is banned.

I grew up smoking fags while giving the okay hand signal. It's times like this that makes me hate we live in the Anglosphere as we import way too much nonsense from the US and the UK because they are so much bigger.

biko

declan2693 wrote: »

So the killer was indeed a lefty.

Hated Trump
Eco-fasist
Loved communism

Why are people trying to link him to the extreme right when hes more like extreme left.

A lot of people are not so easily categorised. We have conflicting opinions about many things, and this is usually ok.
What isn't ok is killing people in the name of religion, or in the name of Ebba Åkerlund.

Sad fact, Ebba Åkerlund's grave have been vandalised several times by a Polish immigrant, probably deranged and not affiliated to any group.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Considering the island of Ireland has a fine record of producing domestic terrorists I'm really glad that guns are highly restricted.

It didn’t stop any actual terrorist of course.

Franz Von Peppercorn

biko wrote: »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-terrorist-attack-suspect-grins-court-190316011147796.html

Lol, this is what happens when you use idiots as reporters. Or maybe they are just not in touch.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1249757-ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C

It looks like it has become a WN symbol even though it was a satire to begin with.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Considering the island of Ireland has a fine record of producing domestic terrorists I'm really glad that guns are highly restricted.

biko

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-terrorist-attack-suspect-grins-court-190316011147796.html

He flashed an upside-down "okay" signal, a symbol used by white power groups across the globe.

Lol, this is what happens when you use idiots as reporters. Or maybe they are just not in touch.
https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1249757-ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C

Wheres Me Jumper?

interesting discussion on LBC on what motivates these white supremicist/ISIS fruitcakes.
basically they are mirror images of each other.

Hoboo

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah another country changing their gun laws after a mass shooting. Still bemused as to why the greatest country in the world won't change theirs

Ireland is fine the way it is.

Sir Oxman

Omackeral wrote: »

I'll respond as you've quoted me and then I'll leave the thread as I don't think open discussion is really being encouraged. Very blurry lines in that mod note. If we're going by that rule, surely all talk of the Australian Senator's statement is irrelevant too. Who cares what some American/Australian/Argentinian politician thinks.

I agree.

Wanderer78

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah another country changing their gun laws after a mass shooting. Still bemused as to why the greatest country in the world won't change theirs

'greatest'!

RasTa

Yeah another country changing their gun laws after a mass shooting. Still bemused as to why the greatest country in the world won't change theirs

Phoebas

declan2693 wrote: »

So the killer was indeed a lefty.

Hated Trump
Eco-fasist
Loved communism

Why are people trying to link him to the extreme right when hes more like extreme left.

This is the most extreme cherry picking from his 'manifesto'.

Boggles

Tacklebox wrote: »

Nothing worse than putting the US or any other country or leader on an almighty pedestal to gain points in a discussion about something which happened thousands of miles away.

TBF we all ready had a comparison between New Zealand and Australia on gun control, they are thousands of miles away from each other.

Gun control is part of the story, it's highly relevant, we know this because the PM stood up yesterday and said that gun control laws will change and how do countries sometimes legislate on certain things?

They look to other countries who adopted similar methods.

That said musing what the NRA in America thinks of it, is not relevant. Who cares what they think TBH.

[Deleted User]

I'll respond as you've quoted me and then I'll leave the thread as I don't think open discussion is really being encouraged. Very blurry lines in that mod note. If we're going by that rule, surely all talk of the Australian Senator's statement is irrelevant too. Who cares what some American/Australian/Argentinian politician thinks.

Tacklebox

Pter wrote: »

Mod

Apologies for confusing you. I'll edit in a mod tag for your clarity.

This tragedy happened in NZ, of course we are discussing NZ. That makes sense. If it happened in the US, would you come in saying 'oh what do the Argentinians have to say about this.'

Some people want EVERYTHING to come back to what's happening in the US. Frankly what the US gun control people on either side of the debate have to say about NZ gun control is hugely irrelevant.

It's off topic lads. If you want to discuss gun control in the US, go for it. This human tragedy is still only 1 day old and as I have warned before, if you can't stick to the topic at hand without brining in irrelevant side discussions, then don't post. I don't think i could have been clearer on this. STOP BRINGING THINGS BACK TO US POLITICAL POINT SCORING.

Nothing worse than putting the US or any other country or leader on an almighty pedestal to gain points in a discussion about something which happened thousands of miles away.

Politics and these atrocious acts don't mix

Well not in my head anyhow, I look at it more scientifically.

Baggly

Omackeral wrote: »

Didn't see a mod note or a usual bold font here so I assume you're speaking as a regular poster.

The above is quite harsh and very condescending (dolphins and mole people) given it's a mass shooting and the NRA are forever commenting on those. What's wrong with making a point regarding that here?

Sure we don't live in America but we don't live in NZ either yet we're discussing it here. Topics evolve and gun control has always been a major part of this topic and any mass shooting threads in general on here. It's relevant enough I'd have thought?

Mod

Apologies for confusing you. I'll edit in a mod tag for your clarity.

This tragedy happened in NZ, of course we are discussing NZ. That makes sense. If it happened in the US, would you come in saying 'oh what do the Argentinians have to say about this.'

Some people want EVERYTHING to come back to what's happening in the US. Frankly what the US gun control people on either side of the debate have to say about NZ gun control is hugely irrelevant.

It's off topic lads. If you want to discuss gun control in the US, go for it elsewhere. This human tragedy is still only 1 day old and as I have warned before, if you can't stick to the topic at hand without bringing in irrelevant side discussions, then don't post. I don't think i could have been clearer on this. STOP BRINGING THINGS BACK TO US POLITICAL POINT SCORING.

98q76e12hrflnk

So the killer was indeed a lefty.

Hated Trump
Eco-fasist
Loved communism

Why are people trying to link him to the extreme right when hes more like extreme left.

Kivaro

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Death penalty would not deter this kind of mass shooting. Alot of mass shooters end up killing themselves.

A lot of them do end up killing themselves, but not all. Some will give themselves up when cornered instead of fighting it out with armed police because they are essentially cowards.

My point is if the death penalty deterred at least one mass shooting, then lives would be saved. And that makes it worth it, in my opinion.
I do understand though that it is a contentious point.

Tacklebox

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Death penalty would not deter this kind of mass shooting. Alot of mass shooters end up killing themselves.

True absolutely true, and they're more than likely dead inside anyhow.
I cannot get my head around these mass killings, the observation of who's to blame run's very deep and in my opinion it's nothing to do with politics, religion or society.

It's more to do with the someone's neuro linguistic programming, maybe some day science will be able to test newborns DNA and see if they have that destructive gene or pathway.

But nowadays people just want to blame politics and Religion, not everyone has that bridge in their psyche that enables them to cross the Rubicon of inflicting unwarranted pain and death on innocence.....

Boggles

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Death penalty would not deter this kind of mass shooting. Alot of mass shooters end up killing themselves.

Depends on the mass murderer and his intentions. I imagine this guy like Breivik had no real intention of going out in a haze of bullets.

Breivik actually phoned the police to surrender a couple of times and was found lying face down with his arms around his back.

Whether the death penalty would have deterred it or not is probably impossible to say.

I don't know if there is any data in the States that suggests their is more mass shootings in states without the death penalty.

I think your point in general is fairly sound though.

Mrs OBumble

ClanofLams wrote: »

If you did hear it, it was incorrect.

The minority government in control is a left wing alliance comprised of Labour and the Greens.

Not quite incorrect.

Yes Labour and Greens are in the coalition.

But the other coalition partner is Winston Peters (I'm not sure what his party is called now). He was acting PM while Arden took maternity leave. And he certainly comes with anit-immigration policies, which can be seen im the restrictions on foreigners buying property.

Checkmate19

Death penalty would not deter this kind of mass shooting. Alot of mass shooters end up killing themselves.

Wanderer78

Kivaro wrote: »

I was wondering this morning if the death penalty was an option in New Zealand, would this prick-of-a-human have carried out the atrocity?
I know that there are arguments against the death penalty, but in instances like this, it should be applicable. It would serve as as a deterrent because people like the heavily armed mass murderer in New Zealand are essentially cowards and would act differently (i.e not act at all) if they thought they would be executed for their actions.

highly unlikely it would prevent such a thing, it hasnt stopped serious crimes being done in the past, it probably wont stop them now. humans are irrational beings, some highly irrational, even dangerous, some humans even struggle with uncontrollable behavior, acts are done before any thought process is complete