TallGlass wrote: » Doesn't seem like he was all there to begin with if you ask me. If you've that much time in the day to write up 79 or so pages and get upset so much and plan for going to shoot unarmed people. You don't have a life. I wonder if there are others in this with him.
Pter wrote: » Mod Everyone. People have died. Keep that in focus for this discussion. This thread is going through the roof in terms of the 'people trying to drag things off topic' o-meter.
TallGlass wrote: » Sorry, answering my own question here.. 'Four people in total are now in custody – three men and one woman – and a number of IEDs (improvised explosive devices) have been discovered around the city. The explosive devices were attached to vehicles belonging to the detained suspects. None had detonated and were subsequently made safe by the military.'
evolving_doors wrote: » Wonder why the shooter went on holidays to Pakistan?https://preview.redd.it/r3iv410hp8m21.jpg?width=295&auto=webp&9732eb3d
The Moleman wrote: » I just watched an NZ news clip where a guy told how a young member of the Linwood mosque tackled the shooter and disarmed him. The gunman fled and there was others in the car. The young fella actually ran after himhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213205
Anteayer wrote: » It's just horrific. What can you say? My deep sympathy, condolences and solidary to out to the victims and their families and friends. I really think we need to do more to tackle the online bubbles of hate though. There's a commonality to all of these vicious attacks of all varieties. They seem to come down to bubbles and echo chambers online that attract psychopaths who's hate gets amplified and then they manage to turn it into an attack on a large group of innocent people. There's a common thread between all of these extremists of all types and even the school shooters that keep cropping up in the US. I don't really know how it can be tackled, but the internet has definitely changed the dynamic. The same things that are tremendously positive that allow like minded individuals to easily connect, to come together in a positive way have also connected some or the nastiest, most toxic and downright evil ideologies you could possibly think of. I'm not in pro censorship but I do think that the likes of social media outlets using algorithms to feed people stories and so on could do a lot more to inject an element of random into it to avoid some of it but I don't think it's possible to prevent downright nasty and toxic hate seeing out similar. I think just sitting here wringing our hands and saying nothing can be done is going to just lead to more and more chaos.
PressRun wrote: » Not surprising. An attack like this has been brewing and I don't think it will be the last of its kind. Right wing extremism is well and truly through the wire at this point, and is being aided and abetted by a media that is more concerned with "balance" and the "marketplace of ideas" than they are with actually challenging hateful rhetoric. What's even scarier is the amount of people who don't seem to realise the layers to this, how deep it goes and how high. These echo chambers have been building online, unfiltered, for literally years. They're now coming into the mainstream and people still don't get it. It's all just considered normal.
friendlyfun wrote: » Events like this really show the pernicious side of social media. It can literally be used as platform. How a guy could livestream a massacre is absolutely crazy.
Deleted User wrote: » I can understand the mentality of watching the video. It drives home the reality of the situation instead of it being just "another news story". In this day and age, events like this come and go and are replaced by the next horrific act without it resonating fully with people. You rarely hear about the Vegas shooting or the news reporter that was shot live on air anymore. Watching the video can sometimes make you treat it as an actual incident rather than something you read about underneath the latest Kardashian story. Sometime you have to witness horrific things to understand them. I can see why people wouldn't want to see it but I wouldn't condemn people who do watch the video.
Manic Moran wrote: » ... Note, for the record, Kiwi firearms laws are quite different from much of the world. They work off "Track the man, not the weapon". If a person is good to go, they can own pretty much what's on the permit, which can, in theory, include full-on machineguns. Firearms are generally not registered, only owners. That said, I have no idea what their position is on Aussies with permits.
ebbsy wrote: » If this happened in India or Africa etc nobody would give a ****e though.
weldoninhio wrote: » Prob had mental health issues. Psychotic break, could be drug induced. Extreme paranoia etc.
SoundsRight wrote: » Britain has very strict gun control laws, and terrorists just kill people with knives, vans and homemade bombs. The fundamental issue is the role of Islam in western society. Do they want to assimilate and accept our values or continue to drive a wedge between us?
jmayo wrote: » I foresee this attack leading to huge changes in NZ gun laws like the Port Athur mass shooting changed things in Australia and Dunblane and Hungerford changed things in Britain. It is not going to be like the US, where people just trot out stuff about the 2nd Amendment and move on to the next mass shooting/massacre. Anyway that is different argument for another thread. Sadly there is some truth to this. When it happens in Western country, especially one with links to us, it becomes more localised to us. Or just plain evil. An no I am not religious but I do believe some people are just plain bad. Ah FFS. Whilst I am no fan of islam, especially it's hardcore adherents like wahhabists, these people were minding their own business going about their daily lives. If the fecker(s) wanted to have a go at the bad in islam book a flight to the Middle East and go join the kurds to really fight. But no he just picked on normal innocent people in a sleepy backwater. He is no better than the ISIS wantabees who he probably used as an excuse for this attack. Two cheeks of the same ar**.
GinAndBitter wrote: » Looks like these guys had some military training, judging by what I've seen in the video.
bluetractor wrote: » Possibly mentioned before, but main shooter was Australian of Irish English and Scottish ancestry. The shooting was in New Zealand. He reasoning? - he was Anti immigrant! How does someone become that stupid?
Snow Garden wrote: » He is a hero. The death toll could have been much more.
TallGlass wrote: » What a hero. It's a pity he couldn't find the trigger, but job well done. Safe to save he saved countless more lives.
The Moleman wrote: » There has been no mention on the BBC or any news channel I've been watching. It might show up later in the day but any one with social media should spread the link - this young fella needs to be talked about. I take the opposite view regarding finding the trigger. I'm glad the young man can live his life as someone who saved and didn't take one, regardless that the other guy is scum. Admittedly, I would not have that view if the shooter had hurt anyone else afterward.
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