Autecher wrote: » Her hubbie is worth a cool $80,000,000. He is a fashion designer for Target.
Sugar Free wrote: » There are degrees of wealth and these people, while wealthy by most people's standards, aren't necessarily wealthy enough to donate an amount of money equivalent to a new library, i.e. millions. Or perhaps their estimated net worth while very high, is in no way liquid. Going by an above poster, the average amount paid was 400-600k. So they were either too stingy to do it the more legitimate, donations way (unlikely) or they simply didn't have the cash required (more likely) and went for a more affordable, albeit illegal, option.
mariaalice wrote: » The whole thing sound nuts is college ranking the be all and end all in the US?
Ficheall wrote: » People like to slag off dumb Americans, but lecturers in unis here are regularly instructed to engage in veritable marking gymnastics to pass students who deserve to fail. Not due to a call from rich daddy, but just standard procedure because it looks better for the uni to pass people.
suicide_circus wrote: » this is a country where it is legal for congressmen to ask for money from lobby groups to vote a certain way on legislation.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » At the top level this is the major reason why DT is despised by Washington. He can't be controlled. Cannot be bought.
metaoblivia wrote: » Lori Loughlin spent $500k to get her kids into USC - aside from whatever the actual tuition/boarding costs. If you're going to drop half a million, at least aim a little higher. Stanford, UC Berkeley, Yale? But honestly, there are already perfectly legal ways for rich people to game the system. What's wrong getting your mediocre kid in the old fashioned way by making a donation/funding a new library? But they've got to go crime it up and pay someone to pretend their kid might make the crew team. Which is barely even a D1 sport. And now, everyone knows their kids are stupid/lazy/their degrees are worthless, so they've spent all that money when the kid could have just quietly gone to a community/state school and no one would have been the wiser.
Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: » I guess maybe the Ivy League colleges do actually want to attract the best of the best. They’ll want to keep churning out high quality graduates to keep their esteemed names. I think the Ivies offer quite generous financial aid to lower income bright kids that they want on their books, don’t they? I read a really interesting article about the yearly fight to gain admission to Harvard Law School recently. Every year they have to deal with the rich parents of rejectees, outraged that the fruit of their loins was not admitted. Makes me feel proud of my father’s first cousin, a first generation American of working class Irish emigrant parents, for getting in there in the 1970s. Whereas a university with a less prestigious reputation might be happy to take on some mediocre students in exchange for a cash injection.
AlanG wrote: » Top universities in Ireland are so reliant on foreign fee paying students that they will do almost anything to pass them and will find a technicality if one is caught cheating. There is no point in spending millions marketing a college in the middle and far east only to get a reputation for being strict. A person spending tens of thousands to come and study in Europe is not going to risk failing in Trinity if they can go elsewhere in Europe and have an easier time. This practice is rampant as 3rd level is big business. Approximately 50% of TCDs income is from the private sector.
steddyeddy wrote: » Rich people using their wealth to elevate their mediocre kids above brighter, poorer students isn't something new. People send their kids to private schools at great expense don't they?
metaoblivia wrote: » Stanford and Yale were both institutions named in the scandal and have just been named in a lawsuit related to it. Harvard, so far, doesn't appear to have a connection to this mess.
Deleted User wrote: » 15 years lecturing and I've never seen that
ohnonotgmail wrote: » a bit of a leap from there to bribing college officials and getting others to do your childrens exams for them.
steddyeddy wrote: » ohnonotgmail wrote: » a bit of a leap from there to bribing college officials and getting others to do your childrens exams for them. Yes indeed it is but it's still paying money to make your child look smarter than he/she is in relation to poorer students.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Or paying money so your child GETS smarter in relation to poorer students.
Researchers Carmen Vidal Rodeiro and Nadir Zanini were investigating how effective the A* grade at A-level is as a predictor of university performance, and found a divide between the performance of state and independent school students at university. Rodeiro said: “In both Russell and non-Russell group universities, students from independent schools were less likely to achieve either a first class degree or at least an upper second class degree than students from comprehensive schools with similar prior attainment.”
Medical students are nearly twice as likely to graduate top of their class if they were educated in the state sector rather than at fee-paying schools, according to research by the University of Aberdeen. It comes despite the fact students from private institutions score slightly higher in the entry tests.
Ficheall wrote: » Must not happen so!
devlinio wrote: » Someone else is missing out, yes! But **** happens.
steddyeddy wrote: » Also another anecdotally heard but only now confirmed point is that doctors from state schools far out pass private school doctors in terms of academic ability. More using wealth to distort academic ability.
steddyeddy wrote: » Well people often said anecdotally that the richer students in these schools did better because they were the offspring of the rich. Unfortunately this was part of the prejudice that was peddled so people would avoid the painful truth. Only recently have any proper studies been performed on the topic of a state/private school divide. Now we have them in hand the results are clear that students from state schools do better when they get to university. In other words private school students receive marks that may be far in advance of their actual ability. In other words their achievement is partially bought.
steddyeddy wrote: » Lori Loughlin's daughter was one of the beneficiaries of the brides to ensure a college place. Here's her in an earlier video stating she doesn't really care about school. Remember she would have got this place of poorer kids who would kill to get a place in college.https://edition.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2019/03/13/lori-loughlin-olivia-jade-university-southern-california-admission-scam-mxp-vpx.hln/video/playlists/top-news-videos/
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