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Zappi charge points

Jeditraining1

Anyone know who is the wholesaler for Zappi chargers in the Republic of Ireland? I'm more so looking for information than to buy one.

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KCross

Yes, you need the CT clamp. That’s the only way the Zappi knows there is excess going to the grid and therefore divert it to the car. If you don’t have it it’s just a normal charge point that will charge at full power all the time.

And no, you don’t need the priority switch as the Zappi will know if the shower is on and will reduce its draw to ensure the fuse doesn’t blow.

Most electricians won’t know what a Zappi is or how it works. You’ll need to educate him or point him to a manual.

davidod1

I've been reading here on the wiring of the Zappi and I would appreciate if someone could confirm if my understanding is correct on a few points.

I have a local electrician lined up to do an installation for me. He has done a few charger installs before but never a Zappi and never where there was a PV panel installation.

My PV system contributes power to anything drawing power in the house; be it lights or microwave or water heating. If there is a shortage then the mains takes up the slack. If there is a surplus then the hot water gets a boost or it goes back into the grid. I can see all this on the app. This may be the norm, I just don't know.

This would mean that the Zappi will be powered from either solar or mains or a combination. My understanding is that this is one of the principal features on the Zappi and the solar/mains information comes from the CT clamp/Harvi. My question, therefore, is there a definite need to fit a CT clamp for tthe Zappi?

Also, as I have an electric shower. He raised the issue of a board that will cut the power to the charger when the shower is in use. Is this needed with the Zappi.

From reading here it looks like the wiring up of the Zappi is not really any more complicated than an external socket and should be well within the capabilities of any competent electrician. Am I right on that one as well?

Thanks for any help received.

unkel

Load of them on eBay. Put in some low bids and you're likely to pick up a cheap one like I did

Like this:

Linky

Inviting opening offer of GBP2

Usually some of them on adverts too, but not this cheap

Johnboy1951

unkel wrote: »

No mine is the basic version. It has a clamp that you clip onto the incomer in your meter box. It wirelessly transmits the signal to the display unit that you can place anywhere in the house. No apps or fancy internet stats.

Still some kit for GBP7 shipped

I didn't come across that one when searching, only the one I posted.

Will search some more.
If you have a link that would be great.

unkel

No mine is the basic version. It has a clamp that you clip onto the incomer in your meter box. It wirelessly transmits the signal to the display unit that you can place anywhere in the house. No apps or fancy internet stats.

Still some kit for GBP7 shipped

Johnboy1951

unkel wrote: »

I bought an Owl intuition monitor on eBay last week. Does exactly that and you can place the wireless display anywhere. Cost me GBP7 shipped

Is this what you got?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008MYXEHW

for one tenth the cost including delivery?

Nedved85

Stealthirl wrote: »

You need a T2>T1 adapter cable for the Zappi, the cable that came with the outlander cant be used to extend a T2 tethered connection. I got mine from evcables.co.uk

https://evcables.co.uk/index.php/charge-cables-for-type-1-cars/type1-converter/ev-converter-cable-type-2-type-1.html

I belive Phil in electricautos.ie / theevcompany.com also sells them

I have that exact same one for my Leaf Gen 1 - Works fine

deegs

Sorted, thanks folks!

Stealthirl

deegs wrote: »

Can someone help me me with this....

Got the ioniq and 5m cable and all works great. My wife has bought an outlander and it has a Grammy charger and a 5m type 2 to type 1 charge cable.
The type 2 end won't connect to the zappi fully. Seems this is a safety design

1) is there any way to charge the outlander from my zappi... Seems it is not set up for "extension" cables etc. And how? Don't want to mix ratings or overpower the outlander

2) is it possible to charge any other type from a thethered type 2?

You need a T2>T1 adapter cable for the Zappi, the cable that came with the outlander cant be used to extend a T2 tethered connection. I got mine from evcables.co.uk

https://evcables.co.uk/index.php/charge-cables-for-type-1-cars/type1-converter/ev-converter-cable-type-2-type-1.html

I belive Phil in electricautos.ie / theevcompany.com also sells them

stimpson

deegs wrote: »

I got the holster with my zappi and installed under the zappi which keeps it all dry in all weather.

Can someone help me me with this....

Got the ioniq and 5m cable and all works great. My wife has bought an outlander and it has a Grammy charger and a 5m type 2 to type 1 charge cable.
The type 2 end won't connect to the zappi fully. Seems this is a safety design and there are some pics that prevent extenders?

1) is there any way to charge the outlander from my zappi... Seems it is not set up for "extension" cables etc. And how? Don't want to mix ratings or overpower the outlander

2) is it possible to charge any other type from a thethered type 2?

Never mind. Misunderstood the post. Answer is below.

deegs

I got the holster with my zappi and installed under the zappi which keeps it all dry in all weather.

Can someone help me me with this....

Got the ioniq and 5m cable and all works great. My wife has bought an outlander and it has a Grammy charger and a 5m type 2 to type 1 charge cable.
The type 2 end won't connect to the zappi fully. Seems this is a safety design and there are some pics that prevent extenders?

1) is there any way to charge the outlander from my zappi... Seems it is not set up for "extension" cables etc. And how? Don't want to mix ratings or overpower the outlander

2) is it possible to charge any other type from a thethered type 2?

unkel

Mickeroo wrote: »

the three weekly trips to the local rapid charger were getting old pretty fast.

Yeah it's like people going to a "petrol station" to fill their car up with petrol or diesel. It's sooooooo 20th century :pac:

Mickeroo

denismc wrote: »

So here is my settings screen, which shows the grid limit in kW.
It looks like your device has the latest firmware version and mine is an older version, hence the difference.
If you are still not sure about this, give Myenergi a ring, they are usually quick to respond.

Thanks for this by the way, I e-mailed MyEnergi on Friday and they replied confirming it is indeed Amps on my charger. Must be different firmware or something alright!

I must say it's so handy coming out to a fully charged and preheated car every morning now, the three weekly trips to the local rapid charger were getting old pretty fast.

Nedved85

Funnily enough the rubber cover attached to the charger was completely lodged with water Saturday and the blue residue seen in the photos above were visible on mine.

More worryingly was that the Zappi was showing an error - "Ground Fault - Disconnect EV and reset Zappi" which I did, multiple times after letting the head air dry but to no avail.

Electrician is coming around later to have a look. He said they did install a ground wire alright so it could be the water issue that caused this?

I might try a hair dryer to dry out the head properly (with the zappi is fully disconnected from the mains obviously

)

Holster being installed soon hopefully

Mickeroo

I got a holster in the box with mine from electric autos. I think any water just drains out of the holster so you don't get that problem.

gunnerfitzy

daheff wrote: »

This is one of the reasons why I want to get one untethered.
Problem is that they are not released until May, and my grant runs out then...so could be a push to get it done.

Decisions decisions.

You can cancel the current application and reapply.

daheff

This is one of the reasons why I want to get one untethered.
Problem is that they are not released until May, and my grant runs out then...so could be a push to get it done.

Decisions decisions.

gunnerfitzy

TheChizler wrote: »

Cheers I'll do exactly that! I got it from Electric Autos but I'll contact myenergi first. The problem is when the plug hangs down the cap acts like a container, even a trickle of water would fill it quickly. The holster would ensure it's always upright so water can't get in.

I also bought mine from Phil also but I contacted myenergi directly. No issues and dealt with quickly.

TheChizler

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

I had this problem. I contacted myenergi and they stated that they now include a holster with each Zappi ordered to prevent this. They sent me out a holster free of charge. No issues with water ingress now.

Cheers I'll do exactly that! I got it from Electric Autos but I'll contact myenergi first. The problem is when the plug hangs down the cap acts like a container, even a trickle of water would fill it quickly. The holster would ensure it's always upright so water can't get in.

gunnerfitzy

Nedved85 wrote: »

So the holster is waterproof? I didn't install my holster yet. Electrician reckoned the rubber cover would be better

There is no rubber seal or similar in the holster so I can't see how it is strictly waterproof but it is keeping the rain out much better than the cap. Logically, one would think that the cap would be better than the holster but that is certainly not the case for me.

Nedved85

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

I had this problem. I contacted myenergi and they stated that they now include a holster with each Zappi ordered to prevent this. They sent me out a holster free of charge. No issues with water ingress now.

So the holster is waterproof? I didn't install my holster yet. Electrician reckoned the rubber cover would be better

gunnerfitzy

TheChizler wrote: »

Anyone solve the problem where the rubber cap gets filled with water in the rain? It's causing what seems to be copper corrosion on our one. Thinking of getting a holster so it can be angled so the rain doesn't gather, but I'm wondering would a hole punched in the cap be enough to let the water out, might void the warranty though?

I had this problem. I contacted myenergi and they stated that they now include a holster with each Zappi ordered to prevent this. They sent me out a holster free of charge. No issues with water ingress now.

TheChizler

Anyone solve the problem where the rubber cap gets filled with water in the rain? It's causing what seems to be copper corrosion on our one. Thinking of getting a holster so it can be angled so the rain doesn't gather, but I'm wondering would a hole punched in the cap be enough to let the water out, might void the warranty though?

denismc

So here is my settings screen, which shows the grid limit in kW.
It looks like your device has the latest firmware version and mine is an older version, hence the difference.
If you are still not sure about this, give Myenergi a ring, they are usually quick to respond.

Mickeroo

Maybe its lack of knowledge on my part but below is what it shows in grid limit. I put it to the lowest setting since and that stopped the car from preconditioning when I boiled the kettle.

When I saw the 'A' I assumed it was amps? What number do most people have theirs set to?

denismc

I thought it was kW, I will check mine when I am home.

Mickeroo

I'll have to have another look. It's quite annoying, their manual and any info they have online only mentions KW when talking about the grid limit.

Stealthirl

63Amp's at 230V is just shy of 14.5kVA

Electricity is supplied at 230V here.
My zappi has the import limit as kVA and not amps.

Mickeroo

Sorry, one last question. The grid limit setting appears to be in amps rather than KW if I'm not mistaken, so what should I set it to? (main fuse is definitely 63amp). I put it to 40 thinking that should be safe enough, but is a bit lower than it needs to be?

Mickeroo

Nice one, thanks for the info.