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It hit 19 degrees in Manchester today and here its like a day in May, so rapid climate change or still just weather.

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

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jbkenn

Akrasia wrote: »

You probably think smallpox never existed.

What a truly idiotic assumption.

jbkenn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Both of those existed and were fixed.

By whom? a link would be appreciated.

Akrasia

jbkenn wrote: »

What a truly idiotic assumption.

I call them as I see them. You think the hole in the ozone layer was faked and acid rain wasn't real, so it's not much of a leap to think that you believe other problems that have been solved also never existed

(btw, there still is a hole in the ozone layer, it's just not growing anymore, and acid rain still is a problem, just not in Europe because we cut down on our industrial sulphur dioxide emissions)

Akrasia

jbkenn wrote: »

By whom? a link would be appreciated.

Montreal Protocal banning CFCs
and Environmental regulations requiring industry to reduce sulphur from their industrial emissions.

chite

mariaalice wrote: »

It hit 19 degrees in Manchester today and here its like a day in May, so rapid climate change or still just weather.

In 50 years will Ireland be covered in vineyards.

There's been a 2 to 3 year fold increase in heatwave activity in the UK since the 19th C, according to a study done by the University of Warwick.

https://m.phys.org/news/2019-01-two-three-heatwave-occurrence-severity.html?fbclid=IwAR12HP3LK6U5rAc0rIlnh-LcMndf_V10tiJKUXqzcp67oqauo10qyNjxFlc

As much I'd love to have a Mediterranean climate here, that won't be happening. We don't even have 12 years to "turn things around", although it's hard to say what the actual timeframe is. The IPCC report underestimated the CO2 effects, and it doesn't even address methane emissions. Methane is being released from melting permafrost, as well as other sources, so there's too much CO2 in the atmosphere to try to reverse CC. We're bacteria in a petri that's about to run out of medium, with deaths already occuring (CC deaths in Middle East, Pakistan, India, Africa).

topper75

Cina wrote: »

What's not repeated and predictable about the temperature of the earth consistently increasing since the industrial age in accordance with our greenhouse emissions?

You have given a perfect example here of the dogma I railed against earlier. You offer a correlation and then immediately infer causation. This is the opposite of science - it is mere agenda pushing and confirmation bias.

1814 is in the industrial age. They had a frost fair on the River Thames. We could not predict that with the dodgy theory. It would be like throwing a stone off a building and watching it float up into the clouds.

We had drop-offs in global temp after 1800, after 1900, and after 1940. Though global temps have risen as a general trend through the industrial age, there is nothing predictable and repeated about this.

There are a whole load of political and economic considerations facilitating this distortion of scientific principle. Cui bono?

Jimmy Garlic

The greatest scam and social engineering exercise foisted upon humanity, ever, by a long shot. Children being heavily brainwashed into "climate action" through schools, scaring the crap out of them with this unquestionable doomsday cult that masquerades as science. A religion in all but name, it has all the trappings of one.

Gimme A Pound

I'm so uncomfortable with the scientific findings that I'm in denial mode and therefore I'm going to say weather and pretend that all of the findings - every last one of them without exception - are bullsh1t.

Jimmy Garlic

Archer Mysterious Self-consciousness wrote: »

I'm so uncomfortable with the scientific findings that I'm in denial mode and therefore I'm going to say weather and pretend that all of the findings - every last one of them without exception - are bullsh1t.

I am uncomfortable with a political agenda that aims to use religious techniques and the corruption of science to brainwash humanity into accepting its own demise at the hands of a neo-socialist technocratic bureaucracy on a global scale.

Wanderer78

Jimmy Garlic wrote:

The greatest scam and social engineering exercise foisted upon humanity, ever, by a long shot. Children being heavily brainwashed into "climate action" through schools, scaring the crap out of them with this unquestionable doomsday cult that masquerades as science. A religion in all but name, it has all the trappings of one.

Really!

Gimme A Pound

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am uncomfortable with a political agenda that aims to use religious techniques and the corruption of science to brainwash humanity into accepting its own demise at the hands of a neo-socialist technocratic bureaucracy on a global scale.

It's easier just to say "I'm in denial".

[Deleted User]

Archer Mysterious Self-consciousness wrote: »

It's easier just to say "I'm in denial".

The quasi intellectual verbiage is wasted on you.

[Deleted User]

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am uncomfortable with a political agenda that aims to use religious techniques and the corruption of science to brainwash humanity into accepting its own demise at the hands of a neo-socialist technocratic bureaucracy on a global scale.

Another who can't differentiate between science and politics.

Gimme A Pound

Candie wrote: »

The quasi intellectual verbiage is wasted on you.

And the climate change agenda uses religious techniques - great new chestnut.

[Deleted User]

Archer Mysterious Self-consciousness wrote: »

And the climate change agenda uses religious techniques - great new chestnut.

Jimmy G is speaking in tongues.

topper75

Akrasia wrote: »

when climate scientists more than 70 years ago predicted that the planet would warm as CO2 concentrations increased, and the planet has warmed decade on decade, I'd call that a predictable result. What would you call it

Oh yes what was predicted then? What temperature did they pick?
Temperature band even?

yeah thought so. Like predicting a thoroughbred would win the Gold Cup.

It is not science. Please stop calling it that. It is chickenlicken talk.

topper75

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where's the new Ice Age I was threatened with as a school kid in the 80's?

Ha brilliant - I remember that too. Brought to you by the same chicken licken.

An acorn falls on their back and that means the sky is falling down.

"Science" apparently.

Gimme A Pound

topper75 wrote: »

Ha brilliant - I remember that too. Brought to you by the same chicken licken.

An acorn falls on their back and that means the sky is falling down.

"Science" apparently.

No, "children's stories".

I'm not talking about people who just question the climate change research - I do the same myself, but the flat-out deniers, like hardcore Michael Jackson fans, are entertainingly deluded.

[Deleted User]

Archer Mysterious Self-consciousness wrote: »

No, "children's stories".

I'm not talking about people who just question the climate change research - I do the same myself, but the flat-out deniers, like hardcore Michael Jackson fans, are entertainingly deluded.

You have to admire the ability to suspend reason in both camps though, it's impressive in it's own way.

Jimmy Garlic

Archer Mysterious Self-consciousness wrote: »

It's easier just to say "I'm in denial".

Nothing is unquestionable, including the corrupted, tainted science that is treated like sacrosanct gospel by people like yourself. The fudged so called science is tailored to fit a political agenda, one that has been around since at least the 1970s (when they were running with global cooling) not the other way around. It's quite sickening how children are being pushed to partake in cultish rituals such as the "climate action strike".

xckjoo

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Nothing is unquestionable, including the corrupted, tainted science that is treated like sacrosanct gospel by people like yourself. The fudged so called science is tailored to fit a political agenda, one that has been around since at least the 1970s (when they were running with global cooling) not the other way around. It's quite sickening how children are being pushed to partake in cultish rituals such as the "climate action strike".

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Gimme A Pound

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Nothing is unquestionable, including the corrupted, tainted science that is treated like sacrosanct gospel by people like yourself.

Fail because I literally said myself that I question climate change research. I'm not pigheaded enough to insist it's all bullsh1t though.

The fudged so called science is tailored to fit a political agenda, one that has been around since at least the 1970s (when they were running with global cooling) not the other way around. It's quite sickening how children are being pushed to partake in cultish rituals such as the "climate action strike".

It's easier to say "I'm in denial".

Jimmy Garlic

Archer Mysterious Self-consciousness wrote: »

Fail because I literally said myself that I question climate change research. I'm not pigheaded enough to insist it's all bullsh1t though.

It's easier to say "I'm in denial".

Spare the simplistic sloganeering for the next contrived "climate action" pilgrimage.

Jimmy Garlic

topper75 wrote: »

Ha brilliant - I remember that too. Brought to you by the same chicken licken.

An acorn falls on their back and that means the sky is falling down.

"Science" apparently.

Jehovah's witnesses and born again bible bashers are a bit more rational, at least they haven't put a deadline on doomsday. Twelve years to save the planet according to the climate cultists. Save the planet by emptying your wallet to pay the never-ending increases of carbon taxation that will be added on every form of energy you use, heat, light, transport, food etc. That's the "solution" apparently.