jm08 wrote: » GDP of Northern Ireland is €27,200 per person (the lowest on the island of Ireland). The average in the EU is €30,000). The Southern Region (includes Cork, Limerick, Tipp, Waterford, Wexford)'s GDP is €74,700 - thats nearly three times what it is in NI. Dublin, Kildare and Midlands GDP is €64,000 per person. Other places that NI has a similar GDP are Normandy in France and Brandenburg in Germany. If your future son in law comes from southern Scotland, I can understand why he is looking forward to moving to NI - its GDP is €21,600 per person.https://www.irishtimes.com/business/southern-part-of-ireland-third-richest-in-eu-but-west-lags-behind-1.3811364
downcow wrote: » It sounds like we’re all ok. You are very happy with life in roi and I am very happy with lifestyle in NI. So let’s not upset the apple cart
Avatar MIA wrote: » That was taken at possibly the worst time possible for Ireland. But, I'd still stick to the U.N. Version.
downcow wrote: » ....and oh deary me. Look at this in comparison https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/its-official-irish-ranks-last-for-happiness-in-western-europe-318893-Jan2012/%3famp=1
downcow wrote: » Don’t take my word for it. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-irish-happiest-people-in-uk-and-its-official-36170333.html
blanch152 wrote: » So it hasn't happened before yet there is no reason to think it can't be managed? That is certainly convincing.
Avatar MIA wrote: » Try NI specific life expectancies. BMW - as in the car manufacturer? What index is that based on? I didn't simply mean your children specifically, but in general. But, congrats to you and your daughter.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Lots of things haven't here and then they did. Like constitutional changes on northern Ireland, marriage etc etc. A UI presents opportunity, to reform health and the public services...start again so to speak.
blanch152 wrote: » And can you give examples on this island of such public service reform having happened before?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Public service reform will have to happen, but there is no reason to think that can not be managed.
Avatar MIA wrote: » They don't actually transfer £10b to NI. The loan they wouldn't allow us to pay back early because they are making too much interest on it? Thanks. :rolleyes:
downcow wrote: » Yes the south east is doing wonderful but we should all be grateful that they are using some of their wealth to support the rest of us. £10b a year to this wee place.
downcow wrote: » ... and indeed a big loan or two to Ireland. Be grateful.
downcow wrote: » All stats I can find show life expectancies in UK and roi as both 82 years Region in Europe with most bmw per head is NI Prospects are fine here. Indeed my daughter is marrying a Scots guy and he can’t wait to move over to NI.
downcow wrote: » I think your target audience could hold the next meeting in a phone box
An Ciarraioch wrote: » Leaving Orange v Green arguments aside, it can hardly be denied that Westminster concentrates its political and economic resources intensively on the South-East region of England, followed by the Midlands and then the North of England, leaving Scotland, Wales and NI to scrap over bare bones. By contrast, an all-island administration would have NI/nine-county Ulster at the core of its national development planning, with unionist politicians almost continually in Dublin coalitions.
FrancieBrady wrote: » As I said, they are all here on the thread plus contributions from others. I don't really care what you do re: a UI. You aren't the target audience and you should grasp that fact before it is too late.
Avatar MIA wrote: » Better lifestyle. Material improvement in lifespan. Far better prospects for your children so they don't have to cross a sea. Any of those attractive to you?
downcow wrote: » Of course, how bold of me. If I could be so audacious to ask you to put a few of them in bullet points to save me rereading the entire thread to discover your words of wisdom. I am actually nervous now that you are going to enlighten me with such benifits that I am going to do an about turn and start working towards a UI utopia
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not struggling at all downcow. Read the thread, all the benefits I see, I have already stated. We actually read your posts too, you know and I am not interested in trying to cajole a belligerent unionist who has expressed no interest in demolishing myths about something that happened 100 years ago, much less what is happening now. You have to remember, you are not entitled to be cajoled.
downcow wrote: » Getting back on topic, could any poster tell me why I should be attracted to leaving UK and joining an all-Ireland?. I haven’t been overwhelmed the the responses so far
downcow wrote: » A bit of a cop out francie (and from someone who expects brexiteers to explain the benifits of leaving Europe). But I can completely understand why you are struggling to identify benifits to me of leaving the UK. I think while they are good enough to allow us to stay we should be grateful and just hang in there
FrancieBrady wrote: » I accept that there are some Unionists who will never see it as attractive. So there is nothing much I can do about that. I actually don't see the need to cajole them just to look at the potential. Not everyone is happy with the current arrangement so I have accepted that not everyone will be happy with a UI.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The know about the backstop, I wouldn't be so sure they know how much it has cost and is going to cost if we get a disastrous Brexit.
RobMc59 wrote: » That's not exactly true either,the rest of the UK isn't ignoring NI which is one of the reasons we are at this impasse which has fortuitously stalled brexit.
