endainoz wrote: » Arrogance personified right there. Somehow this mess is our fault because us silly paddies won't do what were told.
Avatar MIA wrote: » You do realise GB is a significant food importer? Try using financial services as a trade off for food in trade negotiations and see how that goes for you. And assuming everything goes well with your great pals, the Argies *gotcha!* and ye import beef and the like... Good luck with the standards!
downcow wrote: » This is what i mean about it is hard to separate fact from fiction. Whay would GB be open to ire and eu yet ire and eu not be open to NI. Whats your basis for such a suggestion?
Avatar MIA wrote: » Unless the good folk of GB are going to starve it will remain open to Ireland and the EU. They'll just have to pay more for their groceries. NI may lose its Irish market though. And ye better hope similar subsidies will come from Westminster as currently being received.
FrancieBrady wrote: One of the biggest dairies on the island has spelled out in clear language what happens in the different scenario's coming, the farming organisations in NI, do the same, yet a NI farmer tells us it is all scaremongering and then proceeds to tell us that the south's farmers will be in difficulties if they don't tow the UK line.
downcow wrote: » My haunch is it is going to be more difficult for farmers in the south if Ireland keeps taking us down the route of a no-deal by insisting UK is tied into Backstop for ever. In NI we will still have our main market open to us ie gb
downcow wrote: » I think the problem is there has been so much scaremongering and lies that nobody knows what to believe and what is just more scaremongering
endainoz wrote: » Speaking as a farmer from the republic, its very worrying times for the beef sector. The prime time report from Thursday night was some depressing viewing.
FrancieBrady wrote: » My point is that whatever kind of farmer you are that there are very strident voices against Brexit. So strident in fact, that their Unions and representative organisations have taken the same position. That is what happens in 'representative' organisations, usually.
downcow wrote: » Francie do you want to tell me a bit about yourself first ie where you from? What you work at? How many employees? What you had this morning for breakfast? Etc
I don’t know a single farmer, myself included, who really knows whether brexit is good or bad financially.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ok, I know a bit about this area. What kind of farmer are you? Describe farm, employees, stock, etc.
blanch152 wrote: » You asked me to defend a DUP position which I think is nuts. Why would I do that? I think that the DUP policy on Brexit is mad or nuts. I also think that the SF opportunism on the unity question is short-sighted and doesn't help the North. That combination of opinions seems to put me in line with sensible opinion in the North, hence the low ratings for the two leaders. You need to remember that just because I disagree with Sinn Fein doesn't mean I agree with the DUP. The inability to see Northern Ireland issues as anything other than binary is something that unites the supporters of both sectarian parties.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It wouldn't be a subvention to 'northern Ireland' it would be an investment in the whole island of Ireland. Can you answer the question I asked now? If you can't, fair enough.
downcow wrote: » That’s a different question. Your last question was for me to describe my employees my animals and my farm. You still haven’t told me why it is relevant. Could it be that you don’t believe me ��. ?
FrancieBrady wrote: » You are a farmer, you talk to farmer of the same opinion. What kind of farmer are you. Nothing aggressive about that, unless you are on the defensive.
jm08 wrote: » These people will do or say anything to further their sectarian agenda.
downcow wrote: » That’s a very aggressive response francie. A policeman wouldn’t ask you that. Tell me why you ask the question first? It’s a strange question.
downcow wrote: » No
And 67% of those questioned expressed dissatisfaction with the way in which the DUP was representing Northern Ireland at Westminster
Imreoir2 wrote: » Really, did you not read the paper that carried the recent poll that showed that the vast majority have a problem with it?
downcow wrote: » I think you mean BIG farming BIG business and other BIG interests. I don’t here the ordinary man/woman on the street having a problem with them sticking to their promises.
downcow wrote: » Think about what you are saying. What does it mean eg ‘farming is against brexit’? I don’t know a single farmer, myself included, who really knows whether brexit is good or bad financially. So if there is no evidence for you to decide with your head then you just need to decide with gut feeling. And the farmers I know are up for brexit. I do realise that the big millionaire farmers are pro Eu but that’s up to them.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not sure what 'BIG' has to do with it. Farming in northern Ireland is against Brexit and so is business. Who have a nasty habit of employing the ordinary man and woman on the street.
downcow wrote: » I don’t understand the question. Are you asking why the dup are standing by their election pledge?
The DUP will work to get the best deal for Northern Ireland as the UK leaves the European Union.
Lakeland Dairies: Dairy giant warns of Brexit impact "The model we are going to move into will not be as efficient and will not return as much per litre of milk as the model that is currently there," he said.The company exports 240 different products to about 80 countries. The dairy industry is one of the sectors of agri-food with the greatest exposure to the consequences of leaving the EU. About a third of Northern Ireland's milk crosses the border into the Republic of Ireland for processing.
facehugger99 wrote: » For someone with your posting history - you seem very impressed with the shiny FG pamphlets Francie.:D What about some actual examples - with costings please - showing how pubic service costs have been successfully managed downward.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yes, In the face of farming, business and other interests, clearly saying that the backstop for northern Ireland suits them best.
