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Hot take: Multiculturalism is good

sk8erboii

Reactionary types beware: Multiculturalism is defined as the spread of people and ideas.

I know you're already thinking about white genocide, catholic oppression and that liberal arts girl that rejected you for being rough around the edges. But hear me out, because im about to tell you why multiculturalism is good.

The one reason: It's the default state of humanity.

You ever wonder why those forgotten tribes like in the sentinel islands is rare and in many ways primitive? Because they are not like us. The rest of the world has managed to collectively cooperate. One guy comes up with a great idea and someone else from another country copies it and improves it. Thats multiculturalism.

I made this thread as a response to the obvious xenophobic hatemongering in other posts.

Like some scumbag throwing acid to a child's face, somehow implicates every immigrant and they should be put under a proverbial spotlight. Its tenuous logic at any point of view.

Right now I want you to imagine if Ireland became your insular and backwards utopia. Forget about the Wakanda syndrome (That if a nation somehow closes its borders and focuses on itself it will become advanced) and look at case studies. The empire Japan is the poster boy for the self-serving xenophobic nation state. And it was 200 years behind until it stopped the blockade then it entered modernity.

If Ireland had no multiculturalism (which includes the Catholic church) it would literally be a depressing backwater even moreso than it was for hundreds of years. Everything you ever owned, knew and f*cked is influenced by foreign people.

That doesn't mean genocide, asmuch as self-victimizing citizens in the top 10 quality of life in the world would have you think. It simply means acknowledging that Ireland and multiculturalism are deeply intertwined, even back to the building of 'native' structures (which were built by people that came from spain, scandinavia and france).

Ireland's golden days when it was all 'native' never existed. In fact, those days were among the most depressing and oppressive in history that the population never recovered. Blighted by a food that came from Peru.

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gozunda

riffmongous wrote: »

Why do people always want to bring up the Romans? They wiped out dozens of cultures to impose their own version of standardisation.. The same thing that people seem to be so afraid of happening nowadays. Nor were they the only source of high level culture, our very own country is prove of that

Because the OP brought up violent supplantings and Europe. It was also recognised as one of the last great widespread civilised periods before the modern era....

AllForIt

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sex-education-school-birmingham-homophobic-graffiti-lgbt-a8814901.html

Parents have been demonstrating against the school’s No Outsiders programme, which includes teaching about LGBT+ relationships.

A developing story in the UK is that a group of Muslim parents withdrew their kids from a state school in protest at a new subject which aims to promote equality for all including homosexuals, which not surprisingly given that 50% of Muslims in the UK think homosexuality should be a criminal offense, appears to be their main gripe with it. It is not a Muslim school but a schools where the vast majority of pupils are Muslim.

Putting aside completely whether this subject should be taught at all in any school, the issue is that because the school is 99% Muslim a mass walkout and protest was possible. I believe the school has withdrawn the subject altogether to appease them. Ordinarily one would feel as with the issue of religious instruction in schools here, parents would have a right to withdraw their kids from that particular lesson but because of their numbers they have succeeded in having the subject withdrawn from the curriculum altogether.

Well I suppose this is a great example of why Muslims choose to live in ghettoized areas as it gives them power to get what they want according to their religion beliefs. The irony though of Muslims complaining about an equality lesson when they are screaming Islamaphobia left right and center. Equality for Muslims but who cares about anyones eles's equality.

Sadly I think these are the type of things that are likely to increase as devout Muslims continue to assert themselves in western society.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

And how do we know of our contemporaneous culture? Because men worshipping a Roman god using an imported system of recording wrote them down in the Roman language(mostly).

And what's so wrong about standardisation? Cultures aren't equal. Some are better than others. When a better one comes along it mostly keeps the best(and the prettiest) of the old culture and leaves the rest to dusty books for academics to read.

But if we'd got the actual Romans rather than just their god we wouldn't know very much about it at all, which is why I find it odd that it's always that one side of the debate who lament the fall of the Empire to the barbarians. Should they not be cursing the foundation of the Empire? To me it just seems like it makes a handy political idea of us versus the invaders, that you better not think too much about

Don't ask me, I am not the one against it in this thread (at least)
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109616563&postcount=100

Wibbs

riffmongous wrote: »

Nor were they the only source of high level culture, our very own country is prove of that

And how do we know of our contemporaneous culture? Because men worshipping a Roman god using an imported system of recording wrote them down in the Roman language(mostly). And what's so wrong about standardisation? Cultures aren't equal. Some are better than others. When a better one comes along it mostly keeps the best(and the prettiest) of the old culture and leaves the rest to dusty books for academics to read.

Wibbs

gozunda wrote: »

The 'dark ages' which followed were dark not only the barbarians brought civilisation to its knees but because life became nasty, brutish and short.

Socially and technologically Europe descended into the pits of hell for a thousand years after that particular violent 'supplanting' ....

Actually.... it didn't G. The "Dark ages" as an idea is more about 18th and 19th century classicists lamenting the fall of "their" Rome(or their idea of it) and labelling the gap between that fall and the Renaissance as "dark". It's mostly bollocks. Rome died after a long illness, one mostly self inflicted. In its wake for about a century things went a bit south in Western Europe alright(the eastern empire Roma Nova kept going into the 14th century). However that started to change pretty rapidly. The Roman church continued on as a de facto empire until the Reformation. By the time Charlemagne rocked up Western Europe was doing pretty well. Food production was higher than in Rome for example. Consider this; Byzantium was Rome and how more advanced did they become? The newly born Islamic empire was certainly advanced in the early days, yet the "dark ages" primitive Europeans were able to stop their empire building in Europe and they only got as far as Spain(and didn't last too long there).

The best thing to happen to Europe was the rise of Rome. And the fall of Rome. Otherwise we'd have been like China, centralised, inward looking, traditionalist, with the occasional burst of innovation, but mostly stagnant.

tryinlanister

agreed

[Deleted User]

gozunda wrote: »

The default state of dogs and humans is to have fleas. Thankfully that is no longer the case.

It is also true that in Europe in the last couple of decades at least, we seem to have evolved past the need for the destruction of cultures by means of mass migrations and violence.

Talking of 'violent supplatings'(sic) and looking back at history. The Roman empire was invaded and destroyed by barbarians in the fifth century. Its fall marked the death knell of education and literacy, technology, organised economics and not least, the rule of written law.

The 'dark ages' which followed were dark not only the barbarians brought civilisation to its knees but because life became nasty, brutish and short.

Socially and technologically Europe descended into chaos for a thousand years after that particular violent 'supplanting' ....

Why do people always want to bring up the Romans? They wiped out dozens of cultures to impose their own version of standardisation.. The same thing that people seem to be so afraid of happening nowadays. Nor were they the only source of high level culture, our very own country is prove of that

gozunda

sk8erboii wrote: »

Its the default state of humanity lad for better or for worse. For example europe was colonized three or four times in prehistory, each time the ‘indigenous’ population were supplanted violently. But also each time, europe evolved socially and technologically. Mass migration is a huge catalyst for sure

The default state of dogs and humans is to have fleas. Thankfully that is no longer the case.

It is also true that in Europe in the last couple of decades at least, we seem to have evolved past the need for the destruction of cultures by means of mass migrations and violence.

Talking of 'violent supplatings'(sic) and looking back at history. The (Western) Roman empire was invaded and destroyed by barbarians in the fifth century. Its fall marked the death knell of then known education and literacy, technology, organised economics and not least, the rule of written law within Europe.

The 'dark ages' which followed were dark not only the barbarians brought civilisation to its knees but because life was often nasty, brutish and short.

Socially and technologically Europe descended into chaos for a thousand years after that particular violent 'supplanting' ....

[Deleted User]

sk8erboii wrote: »

People wont admit they just dont like brown people

There's that magic phrase you only ever see uttered by the likes of you. Brown people. You're obsessed with it. Would be interesting to see what a search of that term against your name would bring up.

What do you even mean by it? I think I've seen you use it in relation to black people in movies. I've certainly seen you inferring that it equates to Muslims, who are not a race. Brown is used to describe Latinos and Hispanics also so your description is puzzling at best.

[Deleted User]

Sunny88 wrote: »

Its good that youth is idealistic

By 23, I'd imagine a person should be capable of disentangling the different types of multiculturalism being talked about.

Jmsg

Sunny88 wrote: »

Its good that youth is idealistic

Today's youth are simply naive. They unquestionably lap up the globalist scheme as "progressive" and true and good and right. But there's a real sense in which the state of the current generation is the fault of the previous one who were the "revolutionaries", that is against their parents' traditional influence and values. As you can't negate a negation, this situation necessitated that no such revolutionary impulse was left harnessable in the succeeding stock resulting in their world (ours currently) being defined purely by nihilism and materialism.

Monkeynut

whats going on?

Sunny88

[Deleted User] wrote: »

19 pages because an OP doesn't understand the meaning of a word. Bravo AH.

Its good that youth is idealistic

[Deleted User]

19 pages because an OP doesn't understand the meaning of a word. Bravo AH.

Jmsg

buried wrote: »

lol, fair point, I don't think they is though, but if they is that could be how bat$hit lunatic things have become

Trolls feed off subverting dominant viewpoints, so said poster belonging to said category would in fact likely be a good sign politically for Irish people.

gozunda

Sunny88 wrote: »

No
My point was if Irish are so insular and xenophobic shouldnt we be racist against all foreigners
Where are the threads about the Germans and the Filipinos and the Mongolians

Those darn Mongolians and their hairy yaks! Nice yurts though ....

Sunny88

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Is that you sk8rboii?

No
My point was if Irish are so insular and xenophobic shouldnt we be racist against all foreigners
Where are the threads about the Germans and the Filipinos and the Mongolians

buried

Jmsg wrote: »

It's a very sad state of affairs when literally the only person who can (pretend to) engage in a dialogue offering an argument in favor of such an eminent political matter of our times broadly effecting life in our country - multiculturalism - is someone trolling.

lol, fair point, I don't think they is though, but if they is that could be how bat$hit lunatic things have become

buried

sk8erboii wrote: »

Its the default state of humanity lad for better or for worse. For example europe was colonized three or four times in prehistory, each time the ‘indigenous’ population were supplanted violently. But also each time, europe evolved socially and technologically. Mass migration is a huge catalyst for sure

The middle east got supplanted violently during the crusades and that part of the world ended up totally f**ked. And they did, up until that episode, that part of the world was the apex of forward pushing culture in the likes of science and mathematics. You can't just blindly say this sort of thing has always been done without a cause or effect, which it seems to me, and a lot of other posters here, you seem to want to do, y'know?

Jmsg

It's a very sad state of affairs when literally the only person who can (pretend to) engage in a dialogue offering an argument in favor of such an eminent political matter of our times broadly effecting life in our country - multiculturalism - is someone trolling.

sk8erboii

buried wrote: »

That hasn't always resulted in the best result Sk8. Do you read any history whatsoever? Genuine question now, not being aggressive or smart. People moved during the $hitshow of the crusades and we're still living with that mess after it, for example.

Its the default state of humanity lad for better or for worse. For example europe was colonized three or four times in prehistory, each time the ‘indigenous’ population were supplanted violently. But also each time, europe evolved socially and technologically. Mass migration is a huge catalyst for sure

buried

sk8erboii wrote: »

In this thread: People wont admit they just dont like brown people and try to tell you America isn't multicultural and that there are no multicultural nations despite the entire world being born on the movement of people since the beginning of prehistory.

I'm actually laughing lads. Did you all think people stayed in their towns from birth to death until recently or what?

That hasn't always resulted in the best result Sk8. Do you read any history whatsoever? Genuine question now, not being aggressive or smart. People moved during the $hitshow of the crusades and we're still living with that mess after it, for example.

gozunda

sk8erboii wrote: »

You asked ‘name one successful multicultural nation’

I answered: ‘every nation is Multicultural and/or has benefited from multiculturalism’

How is this difficult to understand?

Nope. Wrong. Lol.

You said.
"The vast majority of people accept multiculturalism as a net positive lad"

I asked

"Who do? Where? Please provide accurate figures to show that is so."

Put down the shovel and stop digging ...

Bye ...

GinAndBitter

Sunny88 wrote: »

But why are low iq irish plebs so racist against pakistani grooming gangs

Why dont racists start threads bashing polish and swiss and aussies

Its so inconsistent

Is that you sk8rboii?

sk8erboii

gozunda wrote: »

Ok just because understanding can sometimes be hard. You repeating the same rubbish doesn't answer the question asked btw and yes you've failed to answer and given no figures whatsoever as was requested.

But there you go ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You asked ‘name one successful multicultural nation’

I answered: ‘every nation is Multicultural and/or has benefited from multiculturalism’

How is this difficult to understand?

EDIT: Yikes. Now i see youre trolling. In either case im off to bed. Gonna hit the town tomorrow with my friends from other countries. Night

gozunda

sk8erboii wrote: »

I've answered the question 20 times mate*. You just wont accept it lolIf Ireland was insular we'd be poor and starving.

Ok just because understanding can sometimes be hard. You repeating the same rubbish doesn't answer the question asked btw and yes you've failed to answer and given no figures whatsoever as was requested.

But there you go ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

* Edit: I'm sorry not only do you not know how to use a dictionary - you can't count lol. In your very last post you said -

Mate I've literally told you ten times,

In this post that's now gone to 20! I think you definitely need to work on basic comprehension and mathematics there lol...

sk8erboii

In this thread: People wont admit they just dont like brown people and try to tell you America isn't multicultural and that there are no multicultural nations despite the entire world being born on the movement of people since the beginning of prehistory.

I'm actually laughing lads. Did you all think people stayed in their towns from birth to death until recently or what?

sk8erboii

gozunda wrote: »

Those comments really are raving lol. So nope again. You've again failed to answer the question asked. Not engaging further until you do so. Thanks.

I've answered the question 20 times mate. You just wont accept it lol

If Ireland was insular we'd be poor and starving.

gozunda

sk8erboii wrote: »

Mate I've literally told you ten times, every nation has participated in multiculturalism. I've answer your troll question.But you can never ever answer this: What insular nations are successful?

types on american laptop

speaks English

tips Italian fedora

Swings Japanese katana

Sips on german beer

says hi to polish co worker

goes to catholic church to worship middle eastern god

drives french car

espouses right wing italian rhetoric

Those comments really are raving lol. So nope again. You've again failed to answer the question asked. Not engaging further questions until you do so. Thanks.

Ps look up what trade and commerce means in your yet to be purchased dictionary - it really will help ok ...

Sunny88

sk8erboii wrote: »

Saudi arabia? The one that conducts global trade, using american capitalist values and imports people from all over the world (sociologists, nurses, scientists, computer experts etc) to compensate for its lack of development in these areas?

Saudi is pretty insular, but still participates in MC. Bad example.

Ask the people who went to the Bataclan concert