RobMc59 wrote: » How can you say that when SF are against the GFA which would make a border poll possible and has brought peace to Ireland?-or would they change their tune if there was a poll now?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Republicans shunned the sham referendum.
janfebmar wrote: » What was sham about it? It was open and fair and everyone of voting age had a vote. And not all Republicans shunned it: 1.1 % of voters voted for a united Ireland.
Johnny Dogs wrote: » Rob are you sure you're au fait with politics in Ireland, especially in the north eastern part?
FrancieBrady wrote: » It was doomed from the start, because there was an unresolved conflict/war ongoing. It was clear from the outset that there would be a boycott.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Sorry, can you run that by me again?
janfebmar wrote: » A boycott by a small minority of people. Overall voter turnout was higher than we get in referendums here / elections here, but nobody ever claimed referendums here were not valid because some people boycotted it.
downcow wrote: » I don’t have the energy to go check but I will be surprised if you are telling 60% of unionist want a border in the Irish Sea. I think there must me more to that question than you are stating. As for you other 3 stats there is nothing there surprised me. Is this the same poll that quotes even less satisfaction in Michelle than Arlene ?
FrancieBrady wrote: » It was valid. The union continued. The point is, nationalists/republicans voice wasn't heard in it. That is all we can say about it. The GFA has a facility for another border poll. Do you object to that or something?
Charles Babbage wrote: » I'm sure 60% of unionists do not want a border in the Irish Sea. But if the British English are determined to act in a lunatic manner then this may be the least worst option.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » It's a total gift.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nobody has adequately analysed or explained the DUP strategy here for me. May's deal or even a NI backstop only is nirvana for them, but for an abstract notion of connection they are literally sacrificing the whole union caboddle. Or at best seriously undermining it. blanch, downcow, rob, any other anti UI posters offer a sensible analysis of why they are going against farming, business and the majority here, when a small abstract swallow gives them at least 20 years of grace before a border poll? I genuinely don't get what they are doing.
blanch152 wrote: » I am in favour of a united Ireland. However, I don't believe it is worth a drop of blood being shed, neither do I believe that Northern Ireland is ready for unity, and until the costs have been fully worked out we shouldn't even consider it. Neither is it that important or that much of a priority. I would much prefer €11bn a year be spent on public transport and environmental protection than on a subvention to Northern Ireland.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It wouldn't be a subvention to 'northern Ireland' it would be an investment in the whole island of Ireland.
facehugger99 wrote: » An investment in keeping 30% of the population in their cushy public service jobs? No thanks.
FrancieBrady wrote: » but there is no reason to think that can not be managed.
downcow wrote: » I don’t understand the question. Are you asking why the dup are standing by their election pledge?
facehugger99 wrote: » There's no reason to think it can be managed. I wouldn't like to accuse you of trite responses, so perhaps you could post up some examples of successful public service reform that's been managed recently? Take your time now...........
FrancieBrady wrote: » Here: https://www.reformplan.per.gov.ie/2014/downloads/files/Progress%20report%202017-A4s.pdf It can be done and it is modified and changed all the time.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Yes, In the face of farming, business and other interests, clearly saying that the backstop for northern Ireland suits them best.
facehugger99 wrote: » For someone with your posting history - you seem very impressed with the shiny FG pamphlets Francie.:D What about some actual examples - with costings please - showing how pubic service costs have been successfully managed downward.
downcow wrote: » I think you mean BIG farming BIG business and other BIG interests. I don’t here the ordinary man/woman on the street having a problem with them sticking to their promises.
The DUP will work to get the best deal for Northern Ireland as the UK leaves the European Union.
Lakeland Dairies: Dairy giant warns of Brexit impact "The model we are going to move into will not be as efficient and will not return as much per litre of milk as the model that is currently there," he said.The company exports 240 different products to about 80 countries. The dairy industry is one of the sectors of agri-food with the greatest exposure to the consequences of leaving the EU. About a third of Northern Ireland's milk crosses the border into the Republic of Ireland for processing.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not sure what 'BIG' has to do with it. Farming in northern Ireland is against Brexit and so is business. Who have a nasty habit of employing the ordinary man and woman on the street.
downcow wrote: » Think about what you are saying. What does it mean eg ‘farming is against brexit’? I don’t know a single farmer, myself included, who really knows whether brexit is good or bad financially. So if there is no evidence for you to decide with your head then you just need to decide with gut feeling. And the farmers I know are up for brexit. I do realise that the big millionaire farmers are pro Eu but that’s up to them.
