Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Nope, my point is factual and I’m basing it off US law since it’s a US company and a US citizen.

Getting yourself banned from a website for repeatedly breaking their rules (which you agreed to when you signed up) in no way infringes on your human rights.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

To begin with the American constitution lays out in its first ammendment the right to freedom of speech and expression, subsequent to that there are a number of exceptions to that which it may be difficult to say Alex Jones has been directly guilty of contravening to an extent that would impinge on his right to freedom of speech and expression.

I mentioned the universal declaration of human rights as it directly references the right to freedom of speech and expression, not because I equate being banned from a website as a human rights violation (thanks for making that assumption without asking for clarification btw), I was merely stating that private companies the size of alphabet or twitter who hold monopolies perhaps should be held to a higher standard in regard to issues like freedom of speech, a simple disclaimer "this members views do not reflect the beliefs of alphabet, twitter etc" would suffice.

The clamour of some people here to throw basic rights on the scrap heap in the name of corporate operational norms is strange at best.

You don't have to like Alex Jones or his ideas to defend his right to express them.

Billy86

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

*Godwin Argument*

Billy86

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I do. That's why I've mentioned the words social media in practically every post on this thread.

Someone has already directed you to Alex Jones' very own social media website (where free speech is explicitly not allowed, which doesn't seem to bother you much at all) and has plenty of access to other social media platforms like the voat, who also advertise Jones' own social media outlet at the very top of their pages, in turn.

Alex Jones is not banned from all social media by any means.

KikiLaRue

nullzero wrote: »

That isn't accurate. Freedom of expression is part of the universal declaration of human rights.
If you want to talk about restrictions to free speech it varies from place to place, nonsense like blasphemy is a limitation in some places.

I love how people ride in on their high horses talking in absolutes when they're really just expressing their own opinions or understanding. I might not like what you're saying but you have every right to say it, more power to you.

Nope, my point is factual and I’m basing it off US law since it’s a US company and a US citizen.

Getting yourself banned from a website for repeatedly breaking their rules (which you agreed to when you signed up) in no way infringes on your human rights.

KikiLaRue wrote: »

It doesn’t mean you have the right to say whatever you want on whatever platform you want. That’s just plain wrong.

Most platforms don't allow threats, doxing or harassment. That's just how social media works.

This "controversy" is little more than people whining about someone who they identify with being banned for being dicks. Let's also not forget that Jones was at this nonsense for a long time and they still kept him on their platform for financial reasons. He was treated far better than he should have been simply because he was a cash cow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbYGSeJR0Q

KikiLaRue wrote: »

You should do some research on the concept of free speech. At its core, it means that the government *does not* interfere with journalism or the media, and that you can’t be locked up for having different beliefs.

It doesn’t mean you have the right to say whatever you want on whatever platform you want. That’s just plain wrong.

That isn't accurate. Freedom of expression is part of the universal declaration of human rights.
If you want to talk about restrictions to free speech it varies from place to place, nonsense like blasphemy is a limitation in some places.

I love how people ride in on their high horses talking in absolutes when they're really just expressing their own opinions or understanding. I might not like what you're saying but you have every right to say it, more power to you.

KikiLaRue

nullzero wrote: »

Just dipping back in here to put one thing straight, I believe in free speech, not Alex Jones, not once have I defended him.
You need to get your facts straight.

You should do some research on the concept of free speech. At its core, it means that the government *does not* interfere with journalism or the media, and that you can’t be locked up for having different beliefs.

It doesn’t mean you have the right to say whatever you want on whatever platform you want. That’s just plain wrong.

Kermit.de.frog

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I see the usual types on here accusing many of whinging about Jones, but that's missing the point by a country mile. As far as I'm concerned, and most people from what I can see, Jones is a nut, however it is quite clear that those with conservative views, or who disagree with regressive leftist rhetoric (and call it out regularly) are being targeted by Twitter, Facebook and YouTube (especially if they have a large following).

If these companies want to have rules, cool, but they should hold everyone to the same standards, not just those who don't share their political ideals.

As I'm sure you're aware, twitter has banned quite a lot of prominent feminists for expressing the opinion that a bearded man in a dress isn't really a woman so the idea that people on the left don't get banned doesn't fly.

And as to the idea that conservatives are being targeted, can you name one who didn't threaten or harass people? Might it be that they were removed from the platform for being dicks and not for their views on the role of government?

greencap

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If these companies want to have rules, cool, but they should hold everyone to the same standards, not just those who don't share their political ideals.

Why?

Is it because thats what would suit you best?

Or is there some reason other than (the assumed) personal preference?

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Huge corporations "regressive left"? (dafuq does that even mean anyway?)

What the **** are people huffing on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ

mcmoustache wrote: »

Literally a supplement salesperson now.

You should throw this into the debate thread where he is being touted as a public intellectual.

Outlaw Pete

mcmoustache wrote: »

Is it though? <nonsense snipped>

Yes.

They were there to explain why Jones was removed and what I posted was the guts of their reasoning. Listen to the complete podcast if you like.

I see the usual types on here accusing many of whinging about Jones, but that's missing the point by a country mile. As far as I'm concerned, and most people from what I can see, Jones is a nut, however it is quite clear that those with conservative views, or who disagree with regressive leftist rhetoric (and call it out regularly) are being targeted by Twitter, Facebook and YouTube (especially if they have a large following).

If these companies want to have rules, cool, but they should hold everyone to the same standards, not just those who don't share their political ideals.

super_furry wrote: »

Rubbish. Banning Alex Jones from Twitter didn't lead to Brexit, it lead to Alex Jones losing half his audience.

There's also the causality violation that was just proposed. The idea that banning milo or jones affected the Trump election or Brexit would mean that the bannings affected events in the past. Einstein would be rolling in his grave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBlCcl2XcYg

super_furry wrote: »

Exhibit A - Milo Yiannopoulos

Literally a supplement salesperson now.

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Nothing strange about that, the left and corporates are on the same team these days.

Good Trump is there to stick it to them by reducing regulations and corporate tax.
Check-mate Capitalist neo-marxist communist leftie corporations!

Auntie Semite

kowloon wrote: »

Nothing strange about that, the left and corporates are on the same team these days.

Tom Mann Centuria

Fun thread, would read again.

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greencap

nullzero wrote: »

Just dipping back in here to put one thing straight, I believe in free speech, not Alex Jones, not once have I defended him.
You need to get your facts straight.

I don't recall mentioning your name.

paranoid buffoon.

greencap wrote: »

this thread is an ironic joke by the boards admins right?

nobody real actually thinks some of this shyte.

its an ironic conspiracy.

the pro-jones conspiracy theorists are actually planted boards agents.

and everyone else who is arguing that theres not a conspiracy against jones, is having that argument with agents of a conspiracy by boards.

Just dipping back in here to put one thing straight, I believe in free speech, not Alex Jones, not once have I defended him.
You need to get your facts straight.

greencap

this thread is an ironic joke by the boards admins right?

nobody real actually thinks some of this shyte.

its an ironic conspiracy.

the pro-jones conspiracy theorists are actually planted boards agents.

and everyone else who is arguing that theres not a conspiracy against jones, is having that argument with agents of a conspiracy by boards.

Dohnjoe

nullzero wrote: »

You're really reaching here pal, have a nice evening.

No prob. But it's a straightforward question that does highlight some of the double standards in replies in this thread

Namely people who seem to be against bans on a social media platform, but support bans on another social media platform - which doesn't make much sense

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeaah, but infractions do lead to bans. There's also insta-bans

Do you support people being banned from this platform or no?

It was a joke to demonstrate a point, chill

You're really reaching here pal, have a nice evening.

HappyAsLarE

super_furry wrote: »

Since where are huge multi-national companies like Twitter and Alphabet the 'regressive left'?

I thought it was common knowledge that these companies have policies anchored in very left ideologies.

Two examples that come to mind:
The whole James Damore memo thing at Google.
Twitter not allowing trans denial.

That Alex Jones Returns podcast with Joe Rogan was highly entertaining. A little conflicted about how the guy clearly needs help, but he's not harming anyone directly. People acting on anything he says are just as mad.

Dohnjoe

nullzero wrote: »

Getting an infraction isn't the same as being banned.

Yeaah, but infractions do lead to bans. There's also insta-bans

Do you support people being banned from this platform or no?

At least you're consistent with your condescending and nonsensical posting, keep up the winky faces, I'm looking forward to some rolleyes.

It was a joke to demonstrate a point, chill

Ash.J.Williams

vetinari wrote: »

He's already been elected once thanks to loons like this.
Carrying him on your platform is an implicit endorsement of him.

where does that leave us?