El CabaIIo wrote: » Yeah, that's what I meant by cutback weeks. The plan has already them built in but the way the 30 minutes are been added to the longer runs means that they don't exist now. If you add 30 minutes to a Sunday moderate 80 minutes moderate long run, it's caught up to the 2:15 long easy long run in mileage because the moderate section is so much faster. The way luke designed that plan, there's a cutback week every second week because the effect the long run has on beginner runners.
El CabaIIo wrote: » It's just little things that can make a big difference, if you look at this week that started Monday the 4th Feb. You moved this Workout back a day and added what I presume would be 35 minutes Thurs, Feb 7th (05:06) plan: 60 mins moderate I ran 15 mins warm up, then 60 mins @ pace 11:17, hr 153 followed by a 2 mile cool down. In total I ran 8.4 miles this morning. So you have a long and moderate workout with almost 2 hours in duration and only one day between doing this workout on Saturday where another 35 minutes is added which was over two hours and had a moderate section. These things can add an awful lot of strain which is multiplied again by the short recovery of only one day. Ideally if you can on weeks like this, you want to be doing the first moderate run Tuesday so there is 3 days of recovery between it and the next moderate effort. Sat, Feb 9th (06:31) plan: 70 mins moderate I ran a 30 minute warm up, then 70 minutes @ 10:52 pace, followed by a 2 mile cool down I know your schedule is difficult but try to keep these things in mind and you'll be laughing and on the right track. Your level of dedication is brilliant and an absolute asset(I know I'd probably crumble in the little pieces doing something like above) but you got to focus on doing the right things and then you will be absolutely flying.
skyblue46 wrote: » Wow, lots of stuff since I was last here! L, I really hope you didn't mind my input. It was with the best of intentions. Some great advice for you there.
AuldManKing wrote: » I'll be looking out for you in the park now that I know who you are (well, maybe not at 5:30am!)
ReeReeG wrote: » Trust the plan L It's so easy to compare yourself to others, god knows I do it myself, but anyone can see you're a dedicated and smart runner. Keep up what you're doing and you'll be tackling marathon day good and strong!
Applegirl26 wrote: There was one dude in the Manchester group who said that if it takes you 5 hrs to run a marathon then you need to be running a lot more than 3 hrs for your long runs. I can see where he's coming from but I think I'll just get injured if I run several 20 milers that will take me 4+ hrs in training. I think I might leave that group... Ha ha!
Applegirl26 wrote: » Thanks V. That means a lot. Yup trust the plan. I am. I'm trying to. There was one dude in the Manchester group who said that if it takes you 5 hrs to run a marathon then you need to be running a lot more than 3 hrs for your long runs. I can see where he's coming from but I think I'll just get injured if I run several 20 milers that will take me 4+ hrs in training. I think I might leave that group... Ha ha!
ReeReeG wrote: » I'm pretty sure I've read on here before that the gains from 3+ hour long runs are minimal but your risk of injury increases alright.. law of diminishing returns or something like that. Someone more knowledgeable than I will likely chime in on that
skyblue46 wrote: » Obviously I have no idea who the dude is but does he know your plan? Does he know how many hours you run in a week and how cumulative fatigue works? Please, please for your own sake don't take on 20 milers unless you need one for your confidence. If you do I would highly recommend a rest day both before and after.
El CabaIIo wrote: » I think it's important to remember when you read things people are saying is that they often hear comments and then stretch them out to cover everything without thinking critically about them. For instance, say someone was preparing themselves for a 100 mile ultra which would take them 18 hours to complete, would they build up an 18 hour long run alongside the rest of their week? No, in fact a lot of Ultra runners covering 100 mile races train like marathon runners in terms of long run lengths, they do back to back long runs instead to get a cumalative fatigue effect. I'm not advocating that you do what those ultra runners do too for you as you already have that built into your training and running alot. To Address the 20 mile long run that is touted as 'have to' in marathon training. This is another one of those specific things that got used as a cover all. You have to look where this 'rule' came from to uncover the truth. It came from the 70's when nearly 50% of the marathon fields consisted of people who were sub-3 marathon runners. This is more marathon folklore than anything that lays in fact. Mileage is man made, time and intensity is all your body understands. For a sub-3 runner, 20 mile long runs come in just under 3 hours. An elite runner might run 28 or 30 miles as a long run once or twice in a schedule but guess what the time that equates for them? A hair under 3 hours too. You don't train for distance as I said, it's man made. What these coaches who write plans think about is time. Would it make sense for a 5 hour runner to do a 5 hour long run when an elite is doing 3? It doesn't because thast would mean that 5 hour runner is training harder than a 2 hour runner. I wrote a post here a couple of years ago explaining this a bit better.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103533114 On the anxiety, you're in a great position to run a really good marathon. You're almost twice as prepared physically now than you were last year and you know the ropes of running the race much better now. You will be fine honestly!
ariana` wrote: » I think your marathon training has been amazing. You have no reason to have doubts but of course that doesn't mean you won't have them - we all do, it's normal, some nerves and anxiety are part of the course when you put so much of yourself into anything, it means a hell of a lot to you and that's where the doubts are coming from. But you're doing really super training and it will pay off. All those early starts - i think you deserve two medals Hang in there now, not long to go, trust the plan
Huzzah! wrote: » I understand how you're feeling. Running a marathon is scary. If it wasn't the distance covered in your long runs, it would be nutrition or whether you're covering enough miles in the rest of your runs, or the taper or whether that niggly foot is actually an injury and so on. I think you're so well prepared. You've covered so many miles in training and you're going to be so strong come marathon day. Of course you can run 20 miles at your easy pace. But, more importantly, I believe you will be really well placed to run 26.2 miles at MP.
Dealerz2.0 wrote: » Couldn't of wrote it better! L, Your training and preparation is brilliant to read up on, well done and keep doing what you have been doing
juke wrote: » You should go back and read through this log a bit L and the novices thread at this stage of the plan - and remember your enthusiasm and joy and be reminded of everyone's doubts. Doubts can be good, drive you forward, or they can make you second guess and sap your energy. Trust and follow the plan, move forward: you have this!
gypsylee wrote: » It has been great to follow your training for this marathon. Your dedication and commitment to your running is outstanding. I am completely in awe of your "middle of the night" runs! You will have a great second marathon. Can't wait to read your report.
OOnegative wrote: » Bohermeen off the cards?
Applegirl26 wrote: » Oh yeah, gone... I was really looking forward to it but that's how it goes. Manchester is the priority.
