murphaph wrote: » In fairness it's obvious he's just stating his opinion because it's a future possible event. It's impossible to prove one way or the other.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » It's emotional rhetoric. 'Everything will be terrible if we take this course of action'.
Imreoir2 wrote: » Your assertions are opinion masquerading as fact. You assert that once the cost of unification is known that the Irish tax payer will reject it in the referendum, this is your opinion, you have not backed it up.
RobMc59 wrote: » But isn't that part of the problem with even discussing this subject? There are people who have been brought up to believe what is right and they won't change their opinion under any circumstances and challenging people's beliefs will cause an emotional response.
RobMc59 wrote: » There are people who have been brought up to believe what is right and they won't change their opinion under any circumstances and challenging people's beliefs will cause an emotional response.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Unification won't be painless but it won't be end-times either.
facehugger99 wrote: » Well doh! I'm pretty sure, based on past events, there are loyalist terrorists in NI. I'm also pretty sure, based on past events, that those terrorists will take violent actions if they perceive the Union to be as risk. It's not a terrible big leap to propose a likelihood of bombs in Dublin in the run-up to a border polls. I'd be more worried that anyone would think it not likely TBH. The Irish electorate have consistently rejected Parties that have increased taxations and rewarded those who increase spending - a Unification tax will be roundly rejected based on past experience.
facehugger99 wrote: » Won't be happening at all I'd imagine.
FrancieBrady wrote: » When is the last time a 'unification tax' was asked for? It will be a pretty novel event - the unification of the island. If, as I believe, people are persuaded that a unification tax is an investment that will pay an economic and social benefit, I think it will be a no brainer for the responsible people in this country. Those who think investment in the future is something we should be doing all the time.
facehugger99 wrote: » Good you've come around to the realisation that a Unification Tax would be unavoidable Francie - baby steps. You completely over-estimate how invested the Irish electorate are in unification - it's not something they'll be willing to put up with if it means less money in their pockets - option polls have attested to this.
facehugger99 wrote: » Good you've come around to the realisation that a Unification Tax would be unavoidable Francie - baby steps.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Belfast is more than capable of becoming a Dublin 2.0. There's huge potential to have a fairly powerful economic corridor on the east coast which would also mean people in the north were invested in the UI economy. A hard Brexit has the potential to fast-track a UI yet SF, and Republicans in general, are against it. Why do you think that is?
murphaph wrote: » I doubt too many voters on the western seaboard would like to see the east coast dominate the economy further still?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have never said anything about a 'unification tax', good bad or indifferent but go ahead and invent opinions for me.
FrancieBrady wrote: » If, as I believe, people are persuaded that a unification tax is an investment that will pay an economic and social benefit, I think it will be a no brainer for the responsible people in this country.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » It'd be fairly hard to slow down the east coast economic inertia at this stage. There are three million people living between Dublin and Belfast.
facehugger99 wrote: » short-term memory :pac:
murphaph wrote: » A UI would absolutely need this corridor to succeed because the reality is that everything west of the Bann will be a net recipient of social transfers indefinitely like most of the 26 counties are today and will remain. If Belfast didn't pull its weight economically it would sink the country into a quagmire of debt. It's not a nice to have, it would be essential IMO. But whether or not the good denizens of Cork would be in favour of this remains to be seen.
Residents of Cork, Limerick and Waterford are living in the third-richest region across the European Union, according to a new report from Eurostat. This puts them behind the residents of part of London and Luxembourg but ahead of those in Dublin, which ranked in fifth place
Johnny Dogs wrote: » I can only imagine the terrorism campaign. Bomb the Republic to make Britain re-invade, and re-establish rule in the north, by a ln extremely small number of cohorts, who had a rather amateurish campaign previously, heavily reliant on collusion with the govt security forces. I don't foresee it being a very long running campaign myself.
Johnny Dogs wrote: » I can only imagine the terrorism campaign. Bomb the Republic to make Britain re-invade, and re-establish rule in the north, by a ln extremely small number of cohorts, who had a rather amateurish campaign previously, heavily reliant on collusion with the govt security forces. I don't foresee it being a very long-running campaign myself.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Exactly. The evidence very clearly indicates that there is no capacity to mount a campaign outside their own area. And furthermore, the evidence points to unionism in the main being pragmatic mostly. Plenty of shouting but eventually they get on with it.
downcow wrote: » Yes I would agree evidence shows its more a defensive, batten down the hatches, siege mentality. but thats not pleasant for the rest of the island to work with and police
FrancieBrady wrote: » The actual evidence suggests the unionist tradition is oppressive if it has military might behind it. It will subjugate if it can. Don't mean to be rude, but that is what the factual present and historical evidence tells us. Even now, the DUP have power behind them now and are attempting to take the people of northern Ireland out of something they do not want to leave. Because they have a veto, they deny ordinary common rights to their people as well. That wouldn't happen in a UI, the 'might' (the British military machine) would not be there anymore.
downcow wrote: » Thats nonsense. What do you think the DUP should do? They campaigned for Brexit, the vast majority of their voters are in favour of Brexit and they increased their vote in the last election to the highest it has ever been on a promise that they would work to make Brexit happen. So are you really saying they should go against all that and now work against Brexit? You have a strange way of looking at things
blanch152 wrote: » It doesn't take too many sick idiots to start a terrorist campaign. We have learned that in the past.
