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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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California Dreamer

ohigg84 wrote: »

A333 EI-EAV also came back from maintenance yesterday evening, from Perpignan.

What type of maintenance is done there?

I came home on -EAV last night and it looked like it needed a decent clean for a start. Headphone sockets were a bit dodgy and the seats looked like they needed a replacement.

sherology

The new cabin flex door arrangements on the a321neos and a new robotic riveting/floating production technique are not going as seemlessly as initially planned in Hamburg, coupled with the more customized cabin configurations the longer-range a321LR premium/economy/galley arrangements that are needed (Vs. More std. All economy a321s).

The engine makers are pretty much up to speed now.

One would have thought though, that with Norwegian dropping orders, Premeria going bankrupt etc. EI could have mopped up a few slots... Shows how backlogged it's all become.

Bussywussy

billy few mates wrote: »

Was this only announced today...?

Yup officially,there was rumours the last few days about an unspecified delay to the 321s and GEY may not be getting its cabin refit either due slot space

kevinandrew

757s are impossible to come by these days. It was difficult enough for ASL to find their fourth one for Aer Lingus service, that’s why they had to settle for an odd engine type.

Aer Lingus has obviously made the decision to cut its losses with the A321LR for this summer, long term sub leasing was probably going to be more expensive than altering the schedule. Anything lost via a reduced schedule can probably be covered via a compensation package to be negotiated or already dictated through the original order contract.

JCX BXC

theguzman wrote: »

Could another 757 be added to make up the shortfall?

Doubtful, 757's are literally falling off the face of the earth. The last one manufactured is nearly 15 years old now.

theguzman

Could another 757 be added to make up the shortfall?

Jamie2k9

1 less A321 means:
DUB-MSP 7 to 5
DUB-PHL 7 to 5
DUB-BDL 7 to 6
SNN-JFK 6 to 4

Return in August at expense of YUL assuming an A321 arrives!

billy few mates

Was this only announced today...?

kevinandrew

Also, Aer Lingus will be long term leasing these aircraft from Air Lease Corp and not buying direct from Airbus so depending on the contractual details of the deal, any compensation or missed delivery payments will come from the lessor via Airbus and potentially via the engine manufacturer if it turns out to be an engine delay which is likely looking at their track record.

HTCOne

Would have thought Airbus/CFM/Lessor would be made to pay for a PVG 757 (or another operator) for the duration of the delays, or an OAE 762 on SNN-BOS again

jamo2oo9

California Dreamer wrote: »

Is there room in DUB for an A380?

Nope. Taxiways are too small/narrow for the A380. All signs would need to be relocated and an A380 suitable gate would need to be constructed.

California Dreamer

theguzman wrote: »

Consolidate JFK and bring in the HiFLY A380 and divert an A330 maybe? Would be nice.

Is there room in DUB for an A380?

California Dreamer

L1011 wrote: »

A340s if anything. Insanely costly to run particularly when you were selling an A321 capacity

Again I would assume that contracts would be very detailed and Airbus would be compensating EI for the non delivery on promised slots.

What we are being told is probably .05% of the story.

kevinandrew

basill wrote: »

Watch this space as another operator takes advantage of the route and any airport subsidy that was on the table. Another season is a long time in aviation. Opportunity could be missed.

Air Canada are already on the route. Apart from Westjet who else could take it up?

Norwegian? Would be a brave move on their part.

theguzman

Consolidate JFK and bring in the HiFLY A380 and divert an A330 maybe? Would be nice.

Tenger

L1011 wrote: »

A340s if anything. Insanely costly to run particularly when you were selling an A321 capacity

But not if Airbus are footing the bill......

I guess they planned on 4xB757 and 2xA321 for the July schedule.
So a 50% drop.

basill

Watch this space as another operator takes advantage of the route and any airport subsidy that was on the table. Another season is a long time in aviation. Opportunity could be missed.

kevinandrew

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

YUL is going to cost, very high advanced bookings.

Possibly not as high as MSP though considering that’s staying. I’m guessing it was a choice between the two, keep YUL by shifting it to a 757 and delay MSP or keep MSP as planned and postpone YUL which is what they’ve gone for.

L1011

California Dreamer wrote: »

(b) would Airbus not have something laying around or 'know a guy' that could sort them out for a few months. Seems really shabby to me.

A340s if anything. Insanely costly to run particularly when you were selling an A321 capacity

duskyjoe

jazuz.

California Dreamer

I would have thought that (a) they knew about this 4-6 months ago and only releasing the information now and (b) would Airbus not have something laying around or 'know a guy' that could sort them out for a few months. Seems really shabby to me.

Jamie2k9

There was me thinking have they pencilled in HiFly for July after Bussywussy first 2 weeks in June comment. Didn't expext this bombshell but going to be another costly summer. Question is could they have planned for it earlier.

YUL is going to cost, very high advanced bookings.

They need to cancel the remaining A321 schedules and hire somthing for the summer, we could be here again in May or June.

kevinandrew

Good old Airbus...

Although no specific reason is given for the delay I can only assume it’s due to Airbus’ ongoing issues with engines.

Pushing Montreal back to Summer 2020 is shocking and reducing the frequency on so many other routes in July 2019 is going to be painful.

Tenger

Oh that’s not good. How bad is the delay?
Not starting Montreal till S20 is a shocking delay. Wasn’t it due to start in August?

Idbatterim

Delayed delivery of Aer Lingus aircraft to impact thousands of passengers
Aircraft delays have forced the airline to postpone a new Montreal service and reduce summer flights

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/delayed-delivery-of-aer-lingus-aircraft-to-impact-thousands-of-passengers-37876736.html

alancostello

sherology wrote: »

As the a321LR has a full TA biz cabin, it's total seat count is the almost the same as the smaller a320, so there should be plenty of space for the baggage/containers, right? Cargo space may be limited though, but I sit in the cabin so don't know the math of the lower deck.

I'd get the concerns if it were an LCC layout of 220-240 economy seats, as per euro-a321ceo.

By installing ACTs you lose 3 container positions at 159 ft^3 each, that’s a lot of volume. Airbus recommends that a 180 seat A321LR requires 9 containers, but only 7 are available, so bulk-loading makes up the difference.

Don’t forget the majority of people transatlantic are bringing a bag (up to 3 bags are included in J), unlike cabin baggage only folks on euro trips.

john boye

sherology wrote: »

As the a321LR has a full TA biz cabin, it's total seat count is the almost the same as the smaller a320, so there should be plenty of space for the baggage/containers, right? Cargo space may be limited though, but I sit in the cabin so don't know the math of the lower deck.

I'd get the concerns if it were an LCC layout of 220-240 economy seats, as per euro-a321ceo.

Cargo space is apparently limited slightly on the LR because of the centre tanks.

sherology

As the a321LR has a full TA biz cabin, it's total seat count is the almost the same as the smaller a320, so there should be plenty of space for the baggage/containers, right? Cargo space may be limited though, but I sit in the cabin so don't know the math of the lower deck.

I'd get the concerns if it were an LCC layout of 220-240 economy seats, as per euro-a321ceo.

alancostello

smurfjed wrote: »

Has it got to do with the ACT's or someone decided that the container system was too heavy. We had to make this decision with A320's, installed ACT's but opted out of the loading system as it weighed 600 kgs, also opted out of individual seat entertainment for the same weight reason.

Weight savings would be a benefit of it, but it’s mainly that you lose space with the fixed walls of the containers so they’re not as suitable anymore. You’ll just never get a container 100% full, there’ll always be gaps at the sides, the top, etc. With bulk loading a good crew will play Tetris and utilise every inch of space possible.

smurfjed

Has it got to do with the ACT's or someone decided that the container system was too heavy. We had to make this decision with A320's, installed ACT's but opted out of the loading system as it weighed 600 kgs, also opted out of individual seat entertainment for the same weight reason.