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yabadabado wrote: »

If Klopp left it the morning it would be considered a success as the bar is low at Liverpool.
He moved them up the table and got them to a few finals so fans are happy and there is no pressure on him to win trophies.

Whoever is the next full time manager of United will be expected to be winning silverware.

Klopp may not have won anything but come on, he's completely revolutionised them. Same as he did with Dortmund. I don't see the problem people in here have with admitting that Liverpool are a great team right now. I hate them as much as anyone and hope they give us reason to laugh by the end of the season but it's a bit hollow with United being an average team.

People say the bar is low at Liverpool. The bar has been well and truly lowered at United the last 5 years. They are finishing higher reasonably consistently despite spending much less and selling well too.

Fact is that despite the good run United are on they are still worse in nearly every position than Liverpool. Pogba would automatically get in their team and Rashford too maybe. Any others would be debatable at best.

They were shíte last week though.

nullzero

Welcome to the new Manchester United super thread, you'll never walk alone.

xtal191

GSPfan wrote: »

Wait till Everton beat them on the weekend.

I wish but must be 10 years or something stupid since they've beaten them

~Rebel~

manufan16 wrote: »

The influx to the thread leads me think Liverpool recently won a game again that was comfortable , nerves have dissapated and confidence is high and mighty throughout. I missed MOTD.

GSPfan wrote: »

Wait till Everton beat them on the weekend.

Ye're complaining about people posting in a thread - when those people are posting on-topic opinions. While your own posts have nothing to do with the thread at all. What's the point, like?

I wouldn't say anything i've said is unfair, or even particularly biased, so if you disagree, lets have a chat about it and see where we end up. Isn't that the whole point of the site? It's a quiet work day over here, and i've a bit of time.

Or even if ya want to ignore it entirely, then at least bring something else up...

GSPfan

manufan16 wrote: »

The influx to the thread leads me think Liverpool recently won a game again that was comfortable , nerves have dissapated and confidence is high and mighty throughout. I missed MOTD.

Wait till Everton beat them on the weekend.

manufan16

The influx to the thread leads me think Liverpool recently won a game again that was comfortable , nerves have dissapated and confidence is high and mighty throughout. I missed MOTD.

redzerdrog

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I'm not quite sure I understand your thought process, but it's an interesting enough area to get into I suppose....

We judge any manager through expectation based upon history. Generally speaking, top level clubs hire managers with a higher expectation of success built upon the foundations of their careers to date. Using Klopp as an example, as you mentioned, he achieved success at Mainz, and then Dortmund, and so when he joined Liverpool, fans (and more importantly board members) had a tangible, quantifiable benchmark of what he could do. Is that any guarantee of what he would do? of course not, but on the risk/reward sliding scale, it sets you up for a better chance of getting where you want to be.

So the question of Ole or Poch, looking at the same scale, would lead one to move towards Poch of course. His tangible, long term record at clubs in better quality leagues is obviously superior. What makes it muddy is Ole's short term, but high value success. He's there, right now, doing well. So it feels like a risk to drop a current performer, in favor of a different, but higher rated quantity.

The risk is; do you hope the initial, and largely unexpected, form will continue, as it did (in the champions league at least) for Zidane at Real Madrid. Or does the short term performance-improvement bubble burst when faced with the longer term harsh realities, like Dalglish at Liverpool, and Di Matteo at Chelsea.

On balance, I would say the cold logical decision should be to go with the more-proven-over-time bet of Pochetino. But football doesn't generally follow cold logical thinking, so Ole will get the job. It's not necessarily a bad choice - I don't think there is a bad choice in this situation - but it's the riskier choice.

<Edit> As another way of thinking about it. Let's say you're an oil baron , and you just bought a random premier league club with the intention of pushing the top teams all the way. You need a great manager to take charge of the rebuild, and get your team into the champions league. Do you bring in Ole Gunnar Solskjær, or Mauricio Pochettino? For me, there's only one answer there. For the longer term, I would want someone who had proven themselves at all aspects of top league management, over someone who - while inspiring great form and results - is still untried in many aspects of modern management, as those challenges simply haven't presented themselves yet. Executing long term strategy is about much more than short term motivational improvement. This is where Dalglish and Di Matteo fell down quite quickly after that short term motivation ended.

What he said

~Rebel~

pjohnson wrote: »

Whats the concept of a superthread again?

Anyone?

To keep conversation on any given club confined to that thread. There used to be several Utd and Liverpool threads on all sorts of different aspects of the clubs and players, and it pushed other topics off the front page. Putting them all in one thread allowed other discussions to open up on the front page beyond those relating to the most supported teams.

It's very much not to keep fans separated, if that's what you're implying... suggestions to make separate fan sections on boards have been shot down plenty of times to avoid exactly that - there are plenty of dedicated fan forums out there that get to exist as echo chambers. Boards soccer has always looked to be more than that. The problem obviously is sometimes a minority ruin things for others, but in general people crossposting between threads - as long as done in the right spirit - is a good thing.

pjohnson

redzerdrog wrote: »

Not sure you understand the concept of boards

Whats the concept of a superthread again?

Anyone?

yabadabado

Technophobe wrote: »

Quick question..
Can you see Klopp being a long term success?

If Klopp left it the morning it would be considered a success as the bar is low at Liverpool.
He moved them up the table and got them to a few finals so fans are happy and there is no pressure on him to win trophies.

Whoever is the next full time manager of United will be expected to be winning silverware.

~Rebel~

Technophobe wrote: »

You said your can't see Ole being a long term success.. that's your opinion and you are entitled to it..what's deemed success is relative too tho.
Ole has certainly been a huge success so far; can't see how anyone would disagree at this point in time..
So I am interested in what you regard as successful..For Klopp to be regarded as successful for example, what does he need to do??

I'm not quite sure I understand your thought process, but it's an interesting enough area to get into I suppose....

We judge any manager through expectation based upon history. Generally speaking, top level clubs hire managers with a higher expectation of success built upon the foundations of their careers to date. Using Klopp as an example, as you mentioned, he achieved success at Mainz, and then Dortmund, and so when he joined Liverpool, fans (and more importantly board members) had a tangible, quantifiable benchmark of what he could do. Is that any guarantee of what he would do? of course not, but on the risk/reward sliding scale, it sets you up for a better chance of getting where you want to be.

So the question of Ole or Poch, looking at the same scale, would lead one to move towards Poch of course. His tangible, long term record at clubs in better quality leagues is obviously superior. What makes it muddy is Ole's short term, but high value success. He's there, right now, doing well. So it feels like a risk to drop a current performer, in favor of a different, but higher rated quantity.

The risk is; do you hope the initial, and largely unexpected, form will continue, as it did (in the champions league at least) for Zidane at Real Madrid. Or does the short term performance-improvement bubble burst when faced with the longer term harsh realities, like Dalglish at Liverpool, and Di Matteo at Chelsea.

On balance, I would say the cold logical decision should be to go with the more-proven-over-time bet of Pochetino. But football doesn't generally follow cold logical thinking, so Ole will get the job. It's not necessarily a bad choice - I don't think there is a bad choice in this situation - but it's the riskier choice.

<Edit> As another way of thinking about it. Let's say you're an oil baron , and you just bought a random premier league club with the intention of pushing the top teams all the way. You need a great manager to take charge of the rebuild, and get your team into the champions league. Do you bring in Ole Gunnar Solskjær, or Mauricio Pochettino? For me, there's only one answer there. For the longer term, I would want someone who had proven themselves at all aspects of top league management, over someone who - while inspiring great form and results - is still untried in many aspects of modern management, as those challenges simply haven't presented themselves yet. Executing long term strategy is about much more than short term motivational improvement. This is where Dalglish and Di Matteo fell down quite quickly after that short term motivation ended.

Technophobe

Technophobe wrote: »

redzerdrog wrote: »

bucketybuck wrote: »

Well, lets just remind everybody what you said, for clarity's sake.

Point stands

Quick question..
Can you see Klopp being a long term success?

You said your can't see Ole being a long term success.. that's your opinion and you are entitled to it..what's deemed success is relative too tho.
Ole has certainly been a huge success so far; can't see how anyone would disagree at this point in time..
So I am interested in what you regard as successful..For Klopp to be regarded as successful for example, what does he need to do??

Econ__

redzerdrog wrote: »

Pretty much the Crux of it.

I'd fear utd under Poch whereas i really don't under Ole.

I think some fans are on a honeymoon period with ole and while you might be happy with the performances against Liverpool and psg after having to endure Jose for so long. That won't be acceptable to fans this time next year.

I understand why you would think like that after your harrowing experience with Dalglish, who was given the Liverpool job on a full time basis following a honeymoon period as caretaker.

While Solskjaer may turn out to be just as disastrous a full time appointment as Dalglish, he does have age on his side. While Kenny was a 60 year old hasbeen who hadn't even managed a club in years before getting that gig, Ole is only 46 - still very young in managerial terms, so potentially has a much higher ceiling.

[Deleted User]

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Ah a nice new thread

Not a smell of lemons anywhere

redzerdrog wrote: »

Unfortunately can't respond in thread as it's locked but some of ye would seriously wana catch a grip of yourselves.

I was responding a reasonable post from mickjag regarding the merits of ole v poch, giving a point of view from an opposition fan yet the reaction was that of bunch of teenage girls.

I wasn't pissing on your parade after beating palace as quite frankly the race for 4th isn't on my mind at the minute so that result is of zero concern to me

redzerdrog

DM_7 wrote: »

Why reply and encourage?

Not sure you understand the concept of boards

DM_7

Why reply and encourage?

Tippex

Technophobe wrote: »

Quick question..
Can you see Klopp being a long term success?

take that to their thread

redzerdrog

Technophobe wrote: »

Quick question..
Can you see Klopp being a long term success?

I certainly hope so. It would be a massive disappointment if at the klopps of rein it wasn't deemed a success.

Not sure what it's got to do with ole/Poch though

Technophobe

redzerdrog wrote: »

bucketybuck wrote: »

Well, lets just remind everybody what you said, for clarity's sake.

Point stands

Quick question..
Can you see Klopp being a long term success?

redzerdrog

bucketybuck wrote: »

Well, lets just remind everybody what you said, for clarity's sake.

Point stands

bucketybuck

redzerdrog wrote: »

Pretty much the Crux of it.

Well, lets just remind everybody what you said, for clarity's sake.

OGS doing a great caretaker job but just can't see him being a long term success. The only two decent sides faced had ye camping out with a flat back 6 ala Jose which is acceptable to Utd at this moment but won t be acceptable this time next year.

redzerdrog

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's not what you said, though, is it.

Pretty much the Crux of it.

I'd fear utd under Poch whereas i really don't under Ole.

I think some fans are on a honeymoon period with ole and while you might be happy with the performances against Liverpool and psg after having to endure Jose for so long. That won't be acceptable to fans this time next year.

Hotblack Desiato

redzerdrog wrote: »

So it's a wind up to think that poch would do a better job than ole.

That's not what you said, though, is it.

As an opposition fan I genuinely hope OGS gets the job over poch.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

It's not a joke to the people that like fellaini!!! The ones that still mourne and miss his elbows every day!!!!!

Serious tho..... that's how the debate gets rehashed. Starts out as a joke then it grow into a full on 10 page debate with endless long posts.

Just an opinion and not a dig at you.

I liked fellaini!! Just didnt think he was good enough

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

Ah here, clearly a joke, you even left out smiley face when you quoted me

It's not a joke to the people that like fellaini!!! The ones that still mourne and miss his elbows every day!!!!!

Serious tho..... that's how the debate gets rehashed. Starts out as a joke then it grow into a full on 10 page debate with endless long posts.

Just an opinion and not a dig at you.

bangkok

brinty wrote: »

Yes exactly. .

Shiny new thread, same old Bangkok

Ah here, clearly a joke, you even left out smiley face when you quoted me

brinty

Lithium93_ wrote:

What Bangkok said....

bangkok wrote:

New thread, no fellaini, never thought i would see the day

Yes exactly. .

Shiny new thread, same old Bangkok

Lithium93_

bangkok wrote: »

Ah lads, shiny new thread, ole breaking records, utd playing brilliant.... stop the handbags

What Bangkok said....

Rayne Wooney

I saw a stat that I could be completely making up but Lukaku is just behind Salah in away goals which deserves a lot of credit.

Ole has had one or two miss-steps but with the results he has had and if Spurs keep Spursing it'll be a lot easier to choose him over Poch if this train keeps going.

I saw a post in the last thread along the lines of “we haven’t been comfortable against the bottom teams in years” which is just a massive exaggeration imo, we won 14 and drew 3 of our 20 games against the bottom 10 last season and scored over(!) 3 goals a game.

jaykay74

redzerdrog wrote: »

Unfortunately can't respond in thread as it's locked but some of ye would seriously wana catch a grip of yourselves.

I was responding a reasonable post from mickjag regarding the merits of ole v poch, giving a point of view from an opposition fan yet the reaction was that of bunch of teenage girls.

I wasn't pissing on your parade after beating palace as quite frankly the race for 4th isn't on my mind at the minute so that result is of zero concern to me

Great you cleared that up cos people were wondering. Teenage girls and no interest in the race for fourth. Thanks, noted.