Auntie Semite wrote: » In Ireland and the UK only property owning men (a minority) had the right to vote.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » I have bolded the appropriate part of your post.
Auntie Semite wrote: » You are conflating the vast majority of men with a small minority of men. Kind of like the way people conflate all Muslims with the small minority of Muslim terrorists.
skooterblue2 wrote: » That is not discrimination, that is commonsense. If you are going to start a project and have a highly technical person drop out for a year, claim benefit and then have to find a similar highly technical person to fill in for them would you still employ the same person for the project from a business perspective? Strawman argument: I cant get pregnant so I cant have an abortion. No but I have had friends who were beaten attacked and stabbed by Africans, it didnt end well for the attackers though. I have never gone to a religious school period. I would have rather that listed that as my white privilege instead I went to a waster school (vocational) because my parents couldnt afford the bus fare to the regional town. Where is my white privilege?
aloneforever99 wrote: » Here's another example. Years ago I had a friend called Shama who was looking for a job. She sent out loads of CVs but got no interviews. One day, she changed her name on her CV to Sam, which made her sound a) as though she might be male and b) less foreign Once she did that, she got loads of interviews, and got a job in no time because when they met her they saw no reason not to hire her. She had great experience and was a very likable person. If you've never had to do something like that just to be considered for a job, that's a privilege. It's a worry you don't have to carry around with you.
batgoat wrote: » Eh that's the very definition of discrimination if you refuse a woman a job because of their gender and the possibility they may get pregnant. Eg I have crohn's, if I had a crohn's flare and lost my job because of it, that would also be discrimination.(And I have had one's while in employment, took me about two months till I was back to full hours) You can claim common sense but it's still illegal.
skooterblue2 wrote: » Yeah that happens. CV's get sorted that way. They get sorted in other ways too by college, by age, by experience. Amazon (I think) had a computer algorithm for sorting CV's based on education experience and adaptability...... you know what they came up with? Single white straight guy with no criminal record as their preferred choice of programmer.
gmisk wrote: » Your experience with regards certain experiences does not totally nullify the fact that white privilege and gender bias exists.
aloneforever99 wrote: » You claim you don't understand privilege but you just explained it really clearly.
skooterblue2 wrote: » No that was the best candidate, not privilege. The computer program did not take into account age gender, or nationality. It was based on education experience and proven ability
skooterblue2 wrote: » How many Africans do you see homeless in Ireland? There are 13,000 Irish homeless in Ireland I am surer they would love to hear about white privilege.
aloneforever99 wrote: » Bet you a fiver you can't find me a link that shows this.
skooterblue2 wrote: » So your friend got discriminated because of their name? Yeah that happens. CV's get sorted that way. They get sorted in other ways too by college, by age, by experience. Amazon (I think) had a computer algorithm for sorting CV's based on education experience and adaptability...... you know what they came up with? Single white straight guy with no criminal record as their preferred choice of programmer.
skooterblue2 wrote: » https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight/amazon-scraps-secret-airecruiting-tool-that-showed-bias-against-women-idUSKCN1MK08G You owe me coffee next time you are in Dublin. Lets make it a Mocha and can I get a Brownie as well in the Bad Ass Cafe?
In effect, Amazon’s system taught itself that male candidates were preferable. It penalized resumes that included the word “women’s,” as in “women’s chess club captain.” And it downgraded graduates of two all-women’s colleges, according to people familiar with the matter. They did not specify the names of the schools.
gmisk wrote: » If by "Africans" you mean black people then there are quite a few I would think. A lot of the "irish" homeless and by homeless I mean living on the streets etc have addiction issues. I am not sure that the colour of someones skin is relevant if they are homeless, you clearly do....
skooterblue2 wrote: » Nope I used to work for Simon about 15 years ago. I believed naively homeless people has no homes. I quickly found out they were the overflow of the mental health system. Now we have people who were of no interest to Social Welfare 10 years ago are now in the homeless bracket including families who were unheard of before. This is a new phenomenon in Ireland which is differ to Travellers who chose a nomadic life style. These are Irish people who have been priced out of the rental market and have had houses repossessed.
gmisk wrote: » Did you actually read the whole article? The programme was clearly flawed.... Also who the hell goes to the Bad Ass Cafe for a brownie?!In effect, Amazon’s system taught itself that male candidates were preferable. It penalized resumes that included the word “women’s,” as in “women’s chess club captain.” And it downgraded graduates of two all-women’s colleges, according to people familiar with the matter.Problems with the data that underpinned the models’ judgments meant that unqualified candidates were often recommended for all manner of jobs, the people said. With the technology returning results almost at random, Amazon shut down the project, they said.
skooterblue2 wrote: » Go to college, see what happens. Most of the first year guys in programming/networking. End of first year there will be more guy that drop out but a higher percentage of girls will fall out. Same with engineer and most hard science subject with the possible exception of Biology. Are you blaming the programs choice? How many ladies do you see programing over 40? I have to meet one. They are all managers or change profession into the softer end of the market (training,HR sales etc.). The same way you see Nursing, mostly women and very few men or they are bullied out of the work place.
gmisk wrote: » That might be all well and good.....but how is this related to "Africans"?
skooterblue2 wrote: » Well they arrive here and instantly granted accomodation in a holiday camp. then they get preferential choice on the housing list. Hence you dont see any Africans homeless.
aloneforever99 wrote: » But you understand that your whole point about algorithms preferring single white guys was based on a completely flawed premise, right? Yes, there are more guys in programming and more women in nursing; that's a completely different point.
aloneforever99 wrote: » Ah listen, there's plenty of other threads for random racism. Although I suppose it's as relevant to a Gemma O'D thread as any.
skooterblue2 wrote: » I love the word "Racism", If you dont agree with me you are a racist.
skooterblue2 wrote: » No, they applied for the course, they did the course, they got the experience and they ended up in the industry.
PhoneMain wrote: » I call bullsh1t on this. 1) I'm a doctor and I've never heard any doctor or health care professional refer to a PATIENT as a client 2) As doctor's, we treat all blood as the same....i.e. we take the same precautions and there's no different treatment algorithm if you get a needle stick from a gay man, a person from africa, a 5 year old Irish boy or a 90 year old woman. All blood is high risk and treated equally.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » When I heard the word "client" the first thing that came into my mind was sex worker - not that there's anything wrong with sex work imho.
skooterblue2 wrote: » Do you deal with needles and other bodily fluids or are just one of those soft are social workers/therapists?
