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When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

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Some of her posts on twitter lately seem to be off the charts.

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skooterblue2 wrote: »

That money given to the school is given to every child on a headage payment. We have to pay for all childrens education because they will be paying our pension in a few years. You wouldnt want to be in a society where you have demoralised adults without education, those people usually turn to crime.

as if it's a choice between sending someone to Belvo or Clongowes, or else towards a life of crime!

Belvedere and Clongowes are absolutely no impediment to a life of crime, as we well know.

[Deleted User]

SoundsRight wrote: »

You might want to check your thinking.

Says the one who could not even reply to my post. As if I am surprised.

batgoat

SoundsRight wrote: »

So because 3-4% of the population are gay, their values should take precedence over 79% of the population? Who do they think they are?

Except the LGBT community aren't entirely separate to the rest of society. Increased mental health issues and suicide negatively affects everyone, particularly with teenagers. Increased supports etc (including sex Ed) for LGBT students directly lowers those rates. You'll also find most parents are fine with this. Not a great reflection upon you that I'm reduced to arguing this..

The Nal

A lot of God fearing people following her. I do enjoy seeing the angry religious nutters lurching further right in a pathetic attempt to keep their barbaric prehistoric beliefs in public view.

Anything rather than admitting its all over for the church. Sheeples have woken up!

aloneforever99

SoundsRight wrote: »

So because 3-4% of the population are gay, their values should take precedence over 79% of the population? Who do they think they are?

Hi SoundsRight, you seem to be missing some of the posts where I'm making logical, reasonable points as you're not replying to them.

Here are the two main ones I'd like you to address:

1. 70% of people share pro-LGBT values, as seen in the 2015 referendum. Can you acknowledge that?

2. The Roman Catholic Church was responsible for raping, beating and traumatising many generations of Irish children. Don't you think this disqualifies them from controlling our education system going forward?

super_furry

It's getting to the point with Gemma where the fun is wearing off and you'd start to be genuinely concerned for her in the same way you would someone like Sinead O'Connor.

John Waters has a lot to answer for.

TaurenDruid

aloneforever99 wrote: »

2. The Roman Catholic Church was responsible for raping, beating and traumatising many generations of Irish children. Don't you think this disqualifies them from controlling our education system going forward?

To be pedantic, clergy and lay members of the Roman Catholic Church were responsible for raping, beating, traumatising many generations of Irish children - not to mention 796 children in a septic tank in Tuam, thousands of illegal adoptions without consent, etc.

The Roman Catholic Church, the institution, just created a society where that was possible, facilitated it, covered it up whenever it was discovered, hindered or blocked investigations, withheld information, and moved perpetrators around so they could continue their abuse.

PhoneMain

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There's a simple and very obvious answer to this 'dilemma'

Get the churches out of the schools we pay for, let them run their own schools without taxpayer funding if they want.

Listen, I'm no mad catholic/christian defender but my misses is a teacher in a catholic school and she often says the school would be screwed without Catholic funding. She's told me of times that the school has looked for funding for various things from the department, found it wasn't there and the parish board stepped in and provided funding.

That in no way is to defend the evils perpurtrated in schools by priests and nuns but I just had to point that out.

SoundsRight

aloneforever99 wrote: »

Hi SoundsRight, you seem to be missing some of the posts where I'm making logical, reasonable points as you're not replying to them.

Here are the two main ones I'd like you to address:

1. 70% of people share pro-LGBT values, as seen in the 2015 referendum. Can you acknowledge that?

2. The Roman Catholic Church was responsible for raping, beating and traumatising many generations of Irish children. Don't you think this disqualifies them from controlling our education system going forward?

1. One of the fundamental teachings of Christ is to love thy neighbour. That was the reading I took from the gay marriage referendum. It wasn't a show of support for pro-LGBT values, whatever they are.

2. Who is better placed to run Catholic schools than the Catholic church? Would be, as the thread title references, batsh*t crazy to have Catholic children educated with no knowledge of their culture. Worse still, learning every other culture but their own.

batgoat

SoundsRight wrote: »

1. One of the fundamental teachings of Christ is to love thy neighbour. That was the reading I took from the gay marriage referendum. It wasn't a show of support for pro-LGBT values, whatever they are.

2. Who is better placed to run Catholic schools than the Catholic church? Would be, as the thread title references, batsh*t crazy to have Catholic children educated with no knowledge of their culture. Worse still, learning every other culture but their own.

Eh, religious orgs campaigned against passing it. It had everything to do with being pro the LGBT community...

ohnonotgmail

SoundsRight wrote: »

1. One of the fundamental teachings of Christ is to love thy neighbour. That was the reading I took from the gay marriage referendum. It wasn't a show of support for pro-LGBT values, whatever they are.

You should tell that to the religious group that opposed the referendum. They made up the majority of the opponents.

SoundsRight wrote: »

2. Who is better placed to run Catholic schools than the Catholic church? Would be, as the thread title references, batsh*t crazy to have Catholic children educated with no knowledge of their culture. Worse still, learning every other culture but their own.

Do you think that is what happens in non-faith schools? that they teach everything but catholicism? Do you have any evidence for that?

nozzferrahhtoo

SoundsRight wrote: »

2. Who is better placed to run Catholic schools than the Catholic church? Would be, as the thread title references, batsh*t crazy to have Catholic children educated with no knowledge of their culture.

I obtained a largish quantity of consecrated hosts for a series of science experiments some years ago.

During this time I had cause to talk with quite a number of Catholics about it and what they believed, and what their church believed, about that haunted bread.

They did not know.

They fell into a mix of categories. Mostly into three. Those who believed a real actual physical change happened in the biscuit. Those that believed a spiritual change happened there only, but conveniently undetectable in any way. And those that believed that no change at all occurred, of any type, that the ritual was purely symbolic.

This was just what THEY believed. When asked what the Actual Church Teachings were on the matter.... not one single one of them had the first foggiest notion of it.

And you want to ask us who would run a Catholic School better than the Church? Bloody ANYBODY would be my answer. You could have two people beating the crap out of each other while dressed as Itchy and Scratchy singing songs about Catholic Dogma that would do better jobs at teaching this stuff than the teachers of a single Irish person I have ever brought the matter up with.

The quantity of Irish people who appear to have any notion what Catholic Doctrine and Teachings and Positions are on pretty much any aspect of the faith they happily tell the census they hold........ even the core aspects of it that differentiates them from others like the Protestants........... appears to be near Zero.

It seems access to children, rather than access to their education, is more a motivation for a few of these people. Those that took the latin phrase for No Child Left Behind and translated it too literally into No Childs Behind Left. From paddling to pederasty over the years. If that's YOUR "culture" that's great for you I am sure. But it is not the culture of anyone I know, associate with, move in circles with, or have actually met. At best our Church related history in Ireland is something the people I meet are between embarrassed about and outright apologetic for.

But even then history is one thing, modernity is another. If the best one can do to defend religious education is point out it might have been historically worth then I am still waiting to have my question answered. What good, utility, use or justification has it got NOW today? If we are going to lie to children and sell them a fairy tale, can we justify that? Or have you, unique in the world of theists, somehow finally managed to come up with the FIRST shred of argument, evidence, data or reasoning that suggests there may actually be a god there? If so, don't hold back. Let us all know what that is. Because right now the Lizard People Elite New World Order stuff is on a par for credibility.

gmisk

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If you watched HollyOaks 20% of the populations is LGBTQP according to it.

I dont know many people that do....
But where are you getting the 20% figure from.
Are you just making it up?

Going by wikipedia there has been approx 43 characters classified as LGBT+.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_characters_in_soap_operas#Hollyoaks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hollyoaks_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_past_Hollyoaks_characters

So roughly what 600 characters+ (probably more)...so thats roughly 7% vaguely LGBT+.

Modern Family have 2 main characters who are gay out of 12....a whole 16%!!!!
Wont someone please think of the children!!!!

ohnonotgmail

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

I obtained a largish quantity of consecrated hosts for a series of science experiments some years ago.

During this time I had cause to talk with quite a number of Catholics about it and what they believed, and what their church believed, about that haunted bread.

They did not know.

They fell into a mix of categories. Mostly into three. Those who believed a real actual physical change happened in the biscuit. Those that believed a spiritual change happened there only, but conveniently undetectable in any way. And those that believed that no change at all occurred, of any type, that the ritual was purely symbolic.

This was just what THEY believed. When asked what the Actual Church Teachings were on the matter.... not one single one of them had the first foggiest notion of it.
.

So the second two groups thought they were catholic but really weren't.

aloneforever99

SoundsRight wrote: »

2. Who is better placed to run Catholic schools than the Catholic church? Would be, as the thread title references, batsh*t crazy to have Catholic children educated with no knowledge of their culture. Worse still, learning every other culture but their own.

You *still* haven't answered my question. Don't you think generations of facilitating and covering up physical, sexual and emotional abuse disqualifies the RC from controlling education?

Catholic children are more than able to learn about their faith from their parents, extended family, the clergy, mass, Sunday school. There's no logical reason why their faith would be formed at school, where they go to learn languages and math and science.

nozzferrahhtoo

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

So the second two groups thought they were catholic but really weren't.

As Micheal Nugent said on Radio once....at this stage... most Catholics are functionally protestant. Most Protestants functionality atheist.

batgoat

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You should tell that to the religious group that opposed the referendum. They made up the majority of the opponents.

Do you think that is what happens in non-faith schools? that they teach everything but catholicism? Do you have any evidence for that?

I'm waiting for him to explain the even more successful repeal campaign as religious decency at play.

Grayson

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

As Micheal Nugent said on Radio once....at this stage... most Catholics are functionally protestant. Most Protestants functionality atheist.

This is a report by the catholic bishops and it's based on the results of an EU survey.

https://www.catholicbishops.ie/wp-content/uploads/images/stories/cco_publications/researchanddevelopment/evs_4th_wave_report.pdf

There's some amazing stats in it. From page 13, only 79% of catholics believe in life after death. Just less than 90% believe in God. And when you break that figure down only 57% of catholics believe in the catholic conception of god. The rest believe in some sort of "life force" or don't know what they believe.

I agree with what you posted earlier (I think it was you), I once explained transubstantiation to a catholic and why it was the way it is, and he was amazed. He had no idea that was what he "believed"

ohnonotgmail

Grayson wrote: »

This is a report by the catholic bishops and it's based on the results of an EU survey.

https://www.catholicbishops.ie/wp-content/uploads/images/stories/cco_publications/researchanddevelopment/evs_4th_wave_report.pdf

There's some amazing stats in it. From page 13, only 79% of catholics believe in life after death. Just less than 90% believe in God. And when you break that figure down only 57% of catholics believe in the catholic conception of god. The rest believe in some sort of "life force" or don't know what they believe.

I agree with what you posted earlier (I think it was you), I once explained transubstantiation to a catholic and why it was the way it is, and he was amazed. He had no idea that was what he "believed"

In fairness transustantiation is pretty whacky stuff.

humberklog

super_furry wrote: »

It's getting to the point with Gemma where the fun is wearing off and you'd start to be genuinely concerned for her in the same way you would someone like Sinead O'Connor.

John Waters has a lot to answer for.

Why does Gemma warrant concern but Waters get condemned?

TaurenDruid

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

As Micheal Nugent said on Radio once....at this stage... most Catholics are functionally protestant. Most Protestants functionality atheist.

He's right. The problem, though, is most of the former group will still stick "Catholic" on the census form, because reasons... "Sure didn't they educate me." "Ah, it's tradition, it's good to have it there to fall back on." "Well, I wouldn't be into the religion that much, but it's how I was brought up." "Sure how else would we have baptisms and weddings and funerals?"

baby and crumble

SoundsRight wrote: »

1. One of the fundamental teachings of Christ is to love thy neighbour. That was the reading I took from the gay marriage referendum. It wasn't a show of support for pro-LGBT values, whatever they are.

Alright, I'll bite.

I'm a member of the LGBTQ community. I'll tell you what my values are.

1. Be sound.

OH LOOK WE'RE DONE.

Auntie Semite

Gemma is doing quite well. Last night's show has almost 9k views already. Over 1k live viewers seems to be the norm for her right now. If in 6 or so months she can get 3k live viewers per show that will be excellent progress.

YouTube livestreamers tend to burn out quite quickly - with an early peak in viewers followed by a crash so it will be interesting to see if she can keep the momentum going.
There's also a churn and burn effect whereby viewers quickly move from one livestreamer to the next and in an increasingly saturated market if Gemma repeats the same points in every show people may well tire of it and move on.
Personally I hope she succeeds.

ohnonotgmail

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Gemma is doing quite well. Last night's show has almost 9k views already. Over 1k live viewers seems to be the norm for her right now. If in 6 or so months she can get 3k live viewers per show that will be excellent progress.

YouTube livestreamers tend to burn out quite quickly - with an early peak in viewers followed by a crash so it will be interesting to see if she can keep the momentum going.
There's also a churn and burn effect whereby viewers quickly move from one livestreamer to the next and in an increasingly saturated market if Gemma repeats the same points in every show people may well tire of it and move on.
Personally I hope she succeeds.

LOL. 9K views is "doing well". There are kids livestreaming fortnite that get multiples of that.

gmisk

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Gemma is doing quite well. Last night's show has almost 9k views already. Over 1k live viewers seems to be the norm for her right now. If in 6 or so months she can get 3k live viewers per show that will be excellent progress.

YouTube livestreamers tend to burn out quite quickly - with an early peak in viewers followed by a crash so it will be interesting to see if she can keep the momentum going.
There's also a churn and burn effect whereby viewers quickly move from one livestreamer to the next and in an increasingly saturated market if Gemma repeats the same points in every show people may well tire of it and move on.
Personally I hope she succeeds.

Succeeds in what exactly?
Taking down unicorns?

one world order

Having gone through the educational system, I would have religion as the most important subject thought in schools. You can see it a lot in today's society where people have lost that spiritual connection with God. People feel unfulfilled, seeking happiness in money, alcohol, and drugs. People feel more anxious, depressed and even suicidal than previous generations because people have stopped putting their trust in God.

As this world is controlled by a luciferian worshipping illuminati, we will continue to see Christian values attacked and more people feeling lost and unhappy resulting in more failed relationships and reliance on negative alternatives.

Hotblack Desiato

PhoneMain wrote: »

Listen, I'm no mad catholic/christian defender but my misses is a teacher in a catholic school and she often says the school would be screwed without Catholic funding. She's told me of times that the school has looked for funding for various things from the department, found it wasn't there and the parish board stepped in and provided funding.

I'd love to know which parish has cash to give discretionary funding to schools these days, most of them can barely heat and maintain their churches, have to have special collections to do any big maintenance job on a church.

All schools have to raise additional funding, usually this is done through "voluntary" contributions and PTA fundraising events etc.

So either the parents pay up on the church collection plate or they pay up to the school fundraiser or "voluntary" contribution. It's still the parents paying...

marieholmfan

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Gemma is doing quite well. Last night's show has almost 9k views already. Over 1k live viewers seems to be the norm for her right now. If in 6 or so months she can get 3k live viewers per show that will be excellent progress.

YouTube livestreamers tend to burn out quite quickly - with an early peak in viewers followed by a crash so it will be interesting to see if she can keep the momentum going.
There's also a churn and burn effect whereby viewers quickly move from one livestreamer to the next and in an increasingly saturated market if Gemma repeats the same points in every show people may well tire of it and move on.
Personally I hope she succeeds.

At what?

gmisk

one world order wrote: »

Having gone through the educational system, I would have religion as the most important subject thought in schools. You can see it a lot in today's society where people have lost that spiritual connection with God. People feel unfulfilled, seeking happiness in money, alcohol, and drugs. People feel more anxious, depressed and even suicidal than previous generations because people have stopped putting their trust in God.

As this world is controlled by a luciferian worshipping illuminati, we will continue to see Christian values attacked and more people feeling lost and unhappy resulting in more failed relationships and reliance on negative alternatives.

To each their own I suppose....perhaps religion helps people with some of those issues. I think a lot of people still have a degree of belief in a higher power but have little to no faith in the RC church and others, lets be honest a lot of their behaviour hasnt been exactly christian like.

But I would take ICT from my point of view....

That 2nd paragraph has gone full tinfoil hat brigade.....
but I for one welcome our new luciferian worshipping overlords.

For Forks Sake

one world order wrote: »

Having gone through the educational system, I would have religion as the most important subject thought in schools. You can see it a lot in today's society where people have lost that spiritual connection with God. People feel unfulfilled, seeking happiness in money, alcohol, and drugs. People feel more anxious, depressed and even suicidal than previous generations because people have stopped putting their trust in God.

As this world is controlled by a luciferian worshipping illuminati, we will continue to see Christian values attacked and more people feeling lost and unhappy resulting in more failed relationships and reliance on negative alternatives.

It would seem that John Waters himself is walking amongst us.