The Lost Sheep wrote: » Its not gibberish. Most of the normal challengers to Dublin are just not good enough.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Dublin are in no way professional though. Very hard to say they are. Per capita funding doesnt take into account so many other factors
Bonniedog wrote: » Some people just appear intent on destroying anything in this country that has a tradition and history.
Perifect wrote: » Does any Dublin supporter think that the money they have got is even a little bit unfair?
Mrsmum wrote: » They can't think that because then their wins become meaningless. Much better to pretend it's all a level playing field.
gaffer91 wrote: » They're not able to challenge Dublin anymore because of the unfair advantages have. The biggest issue is the funding advantage Dublin have enjoyed for over a decade.
The unfairness has destroyed Leinster and is well on the way towards destroying the All Ireland.
Dublin are in many ways professional. Very easy to say they are.
I agree- Dublin fans are the worst for this with their refusal to acknowledge either A. that a funding gap exists or B. That if it does exist, that it makes no difference. It's destroying Gaelic Football.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Biggest issue isnt simply funding. Dublin improved at same time some of their traditional rivals went off the boil and it isnt destroying the all ireland Very easy how? Theyre as pro as any other top inter county side.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Im not a Dublin fan. Tipp man based in Galway. There is a lot more destroying gaelic like issues around rules, some traditional counties being much poorer than been in a long time.
salmocab wrote: » I’ve said on these threads a few times that on the face of it it does but there needs to be a review of the actual money what it’s spent on, which codes. It has to include all counties what each gets, what it pays and in some cases who pays as there may be some counties with sponsors paying for things directly, it needs to look into how funding is spent on clubs and whether money spent on say small clubs with one team should be proportionate to a club with multiple teams. The sponsorship is a big one I see people suggest that should be pooled but sure why would the DCB bother their holes getting good deals if they lose most of it? It would drive sponsorship under the table. It needs to look at who is spending what in the county boards and what they are getting for their buck as I’m sure plenty would just flush it down the jacks. The end goal is surely to get as many kids playing and being coached well as possible. Dublin’s dominance is well overstated if the imbalance is so big why are the Dubs not dominating underage in both codes? Why are they not beating teams out the gate in all Ireland finals? They’re better than Kerry and Mayo currently but not miles ahead why are they different? The provincial championship is a turd and it makes Dublin seem better but it’s only in comparison to some very poor teams, although Kildare look to be going the right direction in fairness. There is a lot wrong with the GAA at the moment but it’s not the Dubs.
gaffer91 wrote: » The biggest issue is funding. The other advantages Dublin enjoy (e.g home advantage, population), while always unfair, have existed for decades. Their current dominance coincides almost completely with their increased funding in the mid 2000s- Leinster dominance initially, followed by All Ireland dominance. Again, most of the nonsense you're spouting has been addressed and debunked in the previous thread. I suggest you have a read. And it is destroying the game, at inter- county level at least. Last year's All Ireland was widely slated, partly for the boring nature of the football played but also because of the dominance of Dublin. Attendances as a whole were way down last year as Dublin coasted to the All Ireland. The average attendance for Dublin's own games has also declined hugely over the last 10 years also. This wasn't addressed to you, I was replying to another poster. There are other problems of course, but the biggest one is Dublin's dominance. This needs to be urgently addressed.
salmocab wrote: » The money is spent on kids not on the senior i/c team where Dublin spend on a par with other counties. This isn’t like pro sport where man city or Chelsea can afford to pay for anyone they want. It’s about giving children the best coaching, other counties may struggle on that front but as I’ve said some seem to be doing okay with it so there has to be more to it than just pure cash. It’s how you spend what you have, the championship has always been tilted toward the big guns and more so the provincial set up just look at the Munster championship and how many times just 2 counties have won it. Even if Dublin has all funding cut and went to pot as a team and crashed to div 4 it still wouldn’t make it more likely that Laois will win a Sam just that Kerry probably will.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » This income is spent on development officers etc going into schools introducing and coaching sport to kids just like the rest of the country and as Dublin has so many more people/kids than rest of the country there will be far greater spend in Dublin. And do Dublin really spend far more on their inter county set up than elsewhere? Dublin should be playing more games outside Croke Park but the funding whinging is getting real tiresome.
gaffer91 wrote: » Stop trying to defend Dublin's unfair advantages. .
salmocab wrote: » Apologies I assumed people were looking for a debate, I’ll leave you to your echo chamber so.
threeball wrote: » You don't see the difference at underage as money doesn't make a difference at underage, its down to talent. Where you see the difference is after minor. Dublin can take two to three times as many kids into development and have the support teams around them. Some kids will leave while others just won't make it. Most counties will cough up the same % of the players except Dublin have more on day one so they now have more choice, they also have the money to put better systems and people in place. Thats why Dublin suddenly come to the fore at U21 and why they have ready made seniors walking on to the team like a lad thats had years of conditioning at 21yrs old. On the sponsorship, if it was pooled then it would be Croke Park doing the deal and the sponsor that wanted Dublin or Cork would pay the big bucks and from there the scale would decrease. Any carrot to negotiate a good deal is removed from the DCB's hands.
Perifect wrote: » Kids become adults! Look at the incredible amount of outstanding players who have come out in the past few years alone. Fenton, Howard, Costello, Manion, Kilkenny, O'Callahan, McCaffery. These are all under 26, there are many more top players too. I don't know the ins and outs of the underage structures in Dublin but it must be seriously impressive to be producing a list of players of that standard that seems to be never ending. I think the 2.7 million has to have played a huge part in this. And I think you made a great point, unlike soccer, no county can just go out and buy players. This makes creating your own talent the most important aspect. Again I don't know the ins and outs of the Kerry system but it looks like they have identified this and I wouldn't be surprised to see a big amount spent in this department by Kerry GAA. I don't know what would happen if Dublin got their funding cut but does it not make more sense to fund counties who appear to have no chance of winning anything? I don't see why counties like Dublin or Kerry would get a big amount of funding when they would already be towards the top. Why would you give them the money to push further ahead instead of giving the smaller counties the money to catch up? It just makes zero sense.
Bonniedog wrote: » Love to. Washing my hair :-)
Perifect wrote: » That shouldn't take long!
Beechwoodspark wrote: » I’ve had hardcore dub supporters admit that they are embarrassed at how unfair and borderline meaningless the championship has become over the last few years.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » 100% meaningless. We lurch from one year to the next hoping mayo or Tyrone or kerry will topple them, as if that is the answer. The thing is, even if they do - then what? Dublin will just win another 4 all Irelands afterwards. It's pointless and it isn't sport. I heard the analogy of lance armstrong being used. But to my mind, it is that, and then the TDF officials giving him a Harley Davison on top of it. With the obligatory message to his competitors to 'get their house in order' and 'it is up to you to catch up' as he bombs past them and they cough out his exhaust fumes. Surely if that is the case, then it was up to lance to catch up in the first place without getting all that extracurruicular help? In 50 years people will look back on this 5 in a row and there will be an asterix beside it. It will be viewed as artificial. I feel quite badly for the actual players in the Dublin team because they are top class and they don't deserve their legacy to be tarnished in that manner. But that is just the reality if the situation they find themselves in. Re Ewan McKenna, I find it tiresome that people attack his articles by not referencing any part of them, but rather insulting the man personally, and then go on to spew out the same rhetoric that that very same article has highlighted and utterly disproven...
EICVD wrote: » Replying to yourself, can anyone get more pathetic then this
blanch152 wrote: » Dublin spend their money on coaching all the kids, the fat ones, the small ones, the ones with special needs, both male and female. Kerry spend their money on hothousing the better talents, hence their success at minor. Much prefer the Dublin approach myself. As I have said repeatedly on many threads, it all comes down to whether you see mass participation as the most important thing for our national games or whether you see success for your own county as the most important thing.
gaffer91 wrote: » That's not true about Kerry- they also spend their money on all kids. What evidence do you have they don't? This is another thing Dubs trying to defend their advantages do. They pretend that things that are normal in every county e.g volunteering, competition existing from other sports, training of kids who are never going to be inter- county standard; are exclusive to Dublin and as such, justify their funding advantage. It's nonsense. You realise mass participation across the country as a whole will be affected adversely if Dublin continue their financially doped success and people continue to lose interest? What it comes down is whether you think it's good for the game for Dublin, who already have a half dozen other significant advantages, to be funded excessively to the detriment of every other county. If you're happy for this to continue and for people to lose interest and for them to dominate unfairly, just say that. But don't try and pretend there is an alignment between the interests of the rest of the country and those of Dublin.
blanch152 wrote: » I am fed up with posters bitter about their county's lack of success or jealous of Dublin's success coming on here trying to take money away from the mass participation of kids in our national game.
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