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Podge_irl

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Yeah but city is nicer and less hassle with security. Throw in the price of the heathrow express and there is rarely much of a difference.

I'm pretty sure that the particular place in hell that was reserved for Brexiteers may well be Heathrow.

The Heathrow Connect takes about 10 minutes longer and is about a quarter the price. I hate being airside in LCY on weekday evenings - it is manic busy and can't really handle it.

mfceiling

dregin wrote: »

Anyone flown Dublin - London with an infant?

Didn't realise how far the airports are out of the city. Taxis are pricey and not sure about public transport with a 5 month old.

I really, really want to fly into Heathrow and just tube it, but the other half has different ideas.

Yep was that soldier. Public transport is grand outside of peak hours. People in general are fairly helpful when they see you with a baby. Cheap stroller picked up from adverts means you don't have to worry about wrecking it when you're there or it getting damaged on the plane. Women will panic about the tube and a baby but in reality it's a piece of p*ss.

Zzippy

stephen_n wrote: »

What is the environmental downside to the Salmon farm, out of curiosity?

Where to start!

No. 1 would be the impact on wild salmon and sea trout. Salmon farms are breeding factories for a parasite (sea lice) that produce billions of larvae that then infect wild fish within a radius of 20km or so. Enough sea lice on a young sea trout or salmon will kill it in weeks. Sea trout stocks in Connemara collapsed in 3 years following the introduction of salmon farms.

No. 2 would be escaped farmed fish inter-breeding with wild salmon - the farmed fish are from a Norwegian strain bred for fast growth and late maturation. Wild fish in each river are genetically distinct and have evolved to survive best in that river. Dilution of the gene pool reduces genetic fitness and leads to an extinction vortex.

No. 3 would be pollution - a single salmon farm can produce the same waste as a large town. Of course in a large town you have a sewage treatment plant. Salmon farmers just let the **** drift away and pay nothing for waste management. (It doesn't really drift away, it sinks to the bottom and pollutes our bays).

There are many more I haven't the time to get into. Basically - a farm that size in Galway Bay would have eventually wiped out wild salmon in every river in the bay, and probably a lot further afield too. The agency (BIM) responsible were also extremely underhanded with how they did things. Their failed project cost over €500,000 for just the planning stage, of which over €250,000 was spent on legal fees and €143,000 on PR advice from a PR firm. They spent €12,000 on the actual environmental research and EIS.

Buer

But how did they taste?

Buer

Good summation of the whole Metrolink fiasco:

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1098725070137114624

dregin

irishbucsfan wrote: »

How much luggage can your baby carry?

I've her benching 1KG atm, hope to have her up. to ~5 by flight time.

stephen_n

Zzippy wrote: »

Where to start!

No. 1 would be the impact on wild salmon and sea trout. Salmon farms are breeding factories for a parasite (sea lice) that produce billions of larvae that then infect wild fish within a radius of 20km or so. Enough sea lice on a young sea trout or salmon will kill it in weeks. Sea trout stocks in Connemara collapsed in 3 years following the introduction of salmon farms.

No. 2 would be escaped farmed fish inter-breeding with wild salmon - the farmed fish are from a Norwegian strain bred for fast growth and late maturation. Wild fish in each river are genetically distinct and have evolved to survive best in that river. Dilution of the gene pool reduces genetic fitness and leads to an extinction vortex.

No. 3 would be pollution - a single salmon farm can produce the same waste as a large town. Of course in a large town you have a sewage treatment plant. Salmon farmers just let the **** drift away and pay nothing for waste management. (It doesn't really drift away, it sinks to the bottom and pollutes our bays).

There are many more I haven't the time to get into. Basically - a farm that size in Galway Bay would have eventually wiped out wild salmon in every river in the bay, and probably a lot further afield too. The agency (BIM) responsible were also extremely underhanded with how they did things. Their failed project cost over €500,000 for just the planning stage, of which over €250,000 was spent on legal fees and €143,000 on PR advice from a PR firm. They spent €12,000 on the actual environmental research and EIS.

Wow knew they were bad for the local fish but didn’t realize the full extent of it.

Buer wrote: »

But how did they taste?

Nowhere near as nice!

troyzer

Zzippy wrote: »

Where to start!

No. 1 would be the impact on wild salmon and sea trout. Salmon farms are breeding factories for a parasite (sea lice) that produce billions of larvae that then infect wild fish within a radius of 20km or so. Enough sea lice on a young sea trout or salmon will kill it in weeks. Sea trout stocks in Connemara collapsed in 3 years following the introduction of salmon farms.

No. 2 would be escaped farmed fish inter-breeding with wild salmon - the farmed fish are from a Norwegian strain bred for fast growth and late maturation. Wild fish in each river are genetically distinct and have evolved to survive best in that river. Dilution of the gene pool reduces genetic fitness and leads to an extinction vortex.

No. 3 would be pollution - a single salmon farm can produce the same waste as a large town. Of course in a large town you have a sewage treatment plant. Salmon farmers just let the **** drift away and pay nothing for waste management. (It doesn't really drift away, it sinks to the bottom and pollutes our bays).

There are many more I haven't the time to get into. Basically - a farm that size in Galway Bay would have eventually wiped out wild salmon in every river in the bay, and probably a lot further afield too. The agency (BIM) responsible were also extremely underhanded with how they did things. Their failed project cost over €500,000 for just the planning stage, of which over €250,000 was spent on legal fees and €143,000 on PR advice from a PR firm. They spent €12,000 on the actual environmental research and EIS.

Whatever about the rest of it but this is not how evolution works. ^

Squidgy Black

troyzer wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of it but this is not how evolution works. ^

Well no, there's been plenty of studies that show that farmed salmon are in fact genetically weaker than their wild counterparts. And because they're bred in captivity, inbreeding is common because they don't follow the typical spawning runs of wild salmon. It's also a serious concern that if farmed salmon escape they can destroy the genetic pool within streams of wild salmon.

troyzer

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Well no, there's been plenty of studies that show that farmed salmon are in fact genetically weaker than their wild counterparts. And because they're bred in captivity, inbreeding is common because they don't follow the typical spawning runs of wild salmon. It's also a serious concern that if farmed salmon escape they can destroy the genetic pool within streams of wild salmon.

They can certainly contaminate the wild population but they can't drive them to extinction via cross breeding. That's not how it works.

Any farmed breed be it fish, cow or crop are genetically inferior to the wild population.

I have no dog in this fight, I can be convinced either way. But it seems to me that Zippy is against fish farming in general as an industry.

thomond2006

I'm hungry.

dregin

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'm hungry.

Had a pot of mussels from Matt The Thrashers for lunch yesterday. Heartily recommend.

Squidgy Black

I hate salmon anyways it's manky.

irishbucsfan

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Yeah but city is nicer and less hassle with security. Throw in the price of the heathrow express and there is rarely much of a difference.

I'm pretty sure that the particular place in hell that was reserved for Brexiteers may well be Heathrow.

Don’t even go through security when flying from Dublin into Heathrow...

I know it off by now. Get off the plane, go through that little connections bit, down the little raised corridor, down the escalator straight into baggage reclaim and out the door.

The other way is different, but again at T5 it’s pretty straightforward with the two different checkpoints, one or the other is normally quiet.

swiwi_

troyzer wrote: »

I recently complained to Eamon Ryan for inviting an anti gold mine group from the North to speak to the Dáil. I work in the industry and it vexed me to find that there was political support for NIMBYs. I asked him was he aware that the same group also fight wind farms.

Never got an answer. I left the Green Party years ago and it's validated every day.

Having said that, he's still better than most.

Reminds of the time Eamonn Ryan wasn’t looking where he was going and knocked me off my Dublin rent a bike.

“And to think you’re the TD that promoted these things » I shouted. To my satisfaction he did look a bit chagrined.

troyzer

swiwi_ wrote: »

Reminds of the time Eamonn Ryan wasn’t looking where he was going and knocked me off my Dublin rent a bike.

“And to think you’re the TD that promoted these things » I shouted. To my satisfaction he did look a bit chagrined.

Was he driving?

Did this actually happen?

thomond2006

dregin wrote: »

Had a pot of mussels from Matt The Thrashers for lunch yesterday. Heartily recommend.

I'm not really a fan of fish, outside of salmon which I love.

stephen_n

dregin wrote: »

Had a pot of mussels from Matt The Thrashers for lunch yesterday. Heartily recommend.

Call them by their proper name, sea tampons.

stephen_n

swiwi_ wrote: »

Reminds of the time Eamonn Ryan wasn’t looking where he was going and knocked me off my Dublin rent a bike.

“And to think you’re the TD that promoted these things » I shouted. To my satisfaction he did look a bit chagrined.

Did Venjur hijack your account?

swiwi_

troyzer wrote: »

Was he driving?

Did this actually happen?

It’s a while back now. From memory he was walking but just charged straight out into my path even though the little man at the signal crossing was still red. It wasn’t the most heinous of crimes.

[Deleted User]

I don't want the Luas to be out of action for four years

Synode

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't want the Luas to be out of action for four years

It won't be

Podge_irl

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't want the Luas to be out of action for four years

It was never going to be.

A section of it would have been out of action for somewhere between 6 months and 2 years. And now instead it will become useless along most of the line in perpetuity due to lack of capacity.

b.gud

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb https://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-drink-driving-4507169-Feb2019/?utm_source=twitter_short

[Deleted User]

My statement still stands

Dave_The_Sheep

b.gud wrote: »

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb https://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-drink-driving-4507169-Feb2019/?utm_source=twitter_short

Odd the "article" doesn't actually mention if he was over the limit, or what he was charged with.

Buer

b.gud wrote: »

Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb https://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-drink-driving-4507169-Feb2019/?utm_source=twitter_short

Celebrating the Euromillions win by the looks of the location.

troyzer

Lads just getting back to this Metro thing.

They do have a bit of a point regarding Dunville avenue. It seems to be the only crossing point across the current track from Charleston road down to Milltown road. That's a decent 3km.

Buer

troyzer wrote: »

Lads just getting back to this Metro thing.

They do have a bit of a point regarding Dunville avenue. It seems to be the only crossing point across the current track from Charleston road down to Milltown road. That's a decent 3km.

A €3bn project that will serve hundreds of thousands for generations will be thrown in the bin because one road and its inhabitants will be discommoded for a portion of the project?

It's f*cking bonkers.

Podge_irl

troyzer wrote: »

Lads just getting back to this Metro thing.

They do have a bit of a point regarding Dunville avenue. It seems to be the only crossing point across the current track from Charleston road down to Milltown road. That's a decent 3km.

It will be open to pedestrians in some manner. Anyway, the only real relevant distance is the distance to Charleston Road which is quite a bit less than 1km. The "community" they are so desperate to maintain without the "Berlin Wall" of the metro will do just fine - communities are based on walking and you can still do that. A community is not defined by the ability to drive through somewhere.