FrancieBrady wrote: » Nobody, except those shamefacedly with their hands out, sees the future of a failed state as sustainable. It will be that simple.
Berserker wrote: » Taking on NI and the costs involved in running NI would save more money than not taking it on and letting the UK foot that bill. That makes sense for sure.
Berserker wrote: » It was never put upon them. Ireland opted to join the UK and the RoI decided to break away from the rest of the UK after that.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No. A UI will be the only practical thing to save us from massive ongoing costs.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Not even slightly. First off they'll be in Ireland. Secondly they'll be in a portion of an Irish province. Thirdly they did not leave Ireland to move abroad, Britishness was put upon them.
Infini wrote: » 20 years was the pre-brexit timetable. 2 to 5 is the likely result of a crash out brexit by an incompetent dup/conservatives. Brexit is a catalyst to speed things up not stop it.
facehugger99 wrote: » Cool - how about in 20 years?
facehugger99 wrote: » Agreed - The likely economic impact on Ireland in a no-deal scenario makes the economic arguments for a UI even worse .
facehugger99 wrote: » The time frame for reunification is the same now as it has been for the last 30-plus years. In about 20 years time. It allows most people to harbor the belief that it's something they'll witness in their lifetime without any immediate danger of actually having to deal with any of the political, security or economic practicalities of it.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Not even slightly. First off they'll be in Ireland. Secondly they'll be in a portion of an Irish province. Thirdly they did not leave Ireland to move abroad, Britishness was put upon them. All the Hello magazine royal weddings in the world cannot fudge these facts.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Instead of whinging about rebel romaticism I think many pro partition types need wake up to the idea that a united Ireland will be the feel good party of the century. Any loyalist would be welcomed and free to carry on their beliefs. It will be far from a bitter antiquated tit for tat scenario. Those days are only kept alive by the DUP and some SF's. The vast majority, IMO would make reunification a positive affair. It's a matter of when, not if.
Matt Barrett wrote: » It's a matter of when, not if.
Berserker wrote: » NI won't be a member in five weeks time. That'll give those people the exact same status as the Irish in the US from the EU perspective.
FrancieBrady wrote: » A crash out Brexit changes everything under those 3 headings - political, security and economic practicalities. The DUP shooting themselves in the foot as everyone is pointing out. And even if it isn't a crash out, their is now an imperative to sort future relationships.
Imreoir2 wrote: » I don't think anyone wants a rushed border poll held in a vaccume of reliable information.
Berserker wrote: » NI won't be a member in five weeks time. That'll give those people the exact same status as the Irish in the US from the EU perspective. By pushing to build a border on the island?
jm08 wrote: » You forgetting that there is approx. 800K Irish/EU citizens living in NI?
jm08 wrote: » The US is not a member of the EU and about to leave it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nonsense, the EU have several times spelled out their commitments to and guiding principles on Ireland as an island.
blanch152 wrote: » There are nearly 200k Irish-born living in the US, probably at least twice that with Irish citizenship. Don't see the EU worrying about them. When you include the citizens of other EU countries living in the US, it must far exceed the numbers living in Northern Ireland.
blanch152 wrote: » It's a £10 billion subvention and I am happy to accept that it is a significant barrier to any change in the constitutional status of Northern Ireland.
blanch152 wrote: » The EU is acting to protect the interests of its member Ireland, not any part of the UK. The concern of the EU is not for the rights of the people of Northern Ireland, it is concern for the wishes of Ireland to avoid a border with Northern Ireland. There is a subtle but important distinction. As I have said before, if there is a crash out, there will be an awful lot of other things to worry about first.
jm08 wrote: » Where is the 10 million subvention going to come from? NI hasn't balanced the books since about 1925. Most of those places are just tax havens and the Falklands is going to be screwed if the UK leaves the EU as most of its exports (fish) go to Spain.
Charles Babbage wrote: » These places are not independent. Will the British wish to continue to fund NI?
blanch152 wrote: » Those who talk about the impossibility of some form of Northern Ireland independence within a wider UK or Commonwealth forget about the likes of the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Isle of Man, the various Channel Islands etc. They are all much smaller yet somehow survive.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It could also be tritely called wishful thinking to believe that concern for northern Ireland will evaporate. What the DUP's clingy need to be told they are a part of the UK has shown. is that there is a huge concern in the EU for the rights of the northern Irish people to be upheld. I think you will see this come front and centre if there is a crash out. Perfectly reasonable for the EU to see the only practical way forward is a discussion around the future of Ireland first.
Bambi wrote: » Anyone paying attention to this being released today?https://brexitlawni.org/library/resources/the-future-of-our-shared-island/ I've only had a quick read but this jumped out as interesing "Notable in this judgment, however, is the distinction drawn between the broad discretionary powerof the Secretary of State to call a poll (for a variety of reasons) and the duty to do so if it appears likely that a majority of voters would vote for a united Ireland.The judgment suggests, for example, that there would be nothing to prevent the Secretary of State initiating a poll with respect to a “no-deal Brexit” even where the principal issue was continuing membership of the EU (in a unified Ireland). In other words, the Secretary of State is not confined exclusively to evidence with respect to support for Irish unity."
