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Anthem

ZiabR

How many of you are picking this up? Parent company is EA but its developed by Bioware who are normally top notice.

Open Beta starts on the 1st Feb for 3 days.

I really want this to be good and will likely pick it up.

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johnny_ultimate

Dcully wrote: »

the game ONLY begins at endgame.

Have to admit there's nothing that turns me off a game more than this

A game should begin when the game begins, not after the campaign. It's a fundamental flaw with these types of games, at least in my eyes - I don't have a whole heap of gaming time, and I'm not going to give it over to a game that demands a dozen or two hours of commitment before the 'good stuff'. This isn't to say a game like Anthem shouldn't have long-term content and rewards for more committed players: of course it should! Good games can often evolve in new ways and reveal extra layers over a long period of time. But when I played Destiny a few years ago, completed the tedious campaign and then found out there was another dozen hours of grinding (at least) before the really good raid... frankly, I just checked out.

To confess to my only biases: I don't have a whole lot of time for commitment-heavy loot games in general. And I don't have any interest in what Bioware is putting out anymore - they're not the studio that made a few games I liked a decade or two ago. But yeah even with that in mind, personally whenever I hear that a game only properly opens up after a fair chunk of play... that's pretty bad design in my estimation, and illustrates a lack of respect for the player and their time. I mean, other demanding games - like the Souls series - throw players in the deep end immediately, while still boasting plenty of opportunities for high-level play.

[Deleted User]

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Have to admit there's nothing that turns me off a game more than this A game should begin when the game begins, not after the campaign. It's a fundamental flaw with these types of games, at least in my eyes - I don't have a whole heap of gaming time, and I'm not going to give it over to a game that demands a dozen or two hours of commitment before the 'good stuff'. This isn't to say a game like Anthem shouldn't have long-term content and rewards for more committed players: of course it should! Good games can often evolve in new ways and reveal extra layers over a long period of time. But when I played Destiny a few years ago, completed the tedious campaign and then found out there was another dozen hours of grinding (at least) before the really good raid... frankly, I just checked out.

To confess to my only biases: I don't have a whole lot of time for commitment-heavy loot games in general. And I don't have any interest in what Bioware is putting out anymore - they're not the studio that made a few games I liked a decade or two ago. But yeah even with that in mind, personally whenever I hear that a game only properly opens up after a fair chunk of play... that's pretty bad design in my estimation, and illustrates a lack of respect for the player and their time. I mean, other demanding games - like the Souls series - throw players in the deep end immediately, while still boasting plenty of opportunities for high-level play.

All of this

It's a horrible excuse IMO. There is not reason why it cannot have a full-filling campaign. "Oh no but the end game" isn't an excuse for lacklustre design.

Dcully

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Have to admit there's nothing that turns me off a game more than this A game should begin when the game begins, not after the campaign. It's a fundamental flaw with these types of games, at least in my eyes - I don't have a whole heap of gaming time, and I'm not going to give it over to a game that demands a dozen or two hours of commitment before the 'good stuff'. This isn't to say a game like Anthem shouldn't have long-term content and rewards for more committed players: of course it should! Good games can often evolve in new ways and reveal extra layers over a long period of time. But when I played Destiny a few years ago, completed the tedious campaign and then found out there was another dozen hours of grinding (at least) before the really good raid... frankly, I just checked out.

To confess to my only biases: I don't have a whole lot of time for commitment-heavy loot games in general. And I don't have any interest in what Bioware is putting out anymore - they're not the studio that made a few games I liked a decade or two ago. But yeah even with that in mind, personally whenever I hear that a game only properly opens up after a fair chunk of play... that's pretty bad design in my estimation, and illustrates a lack of respect for the player and their time. I mean, other demanding games - like the Souls series - throw players in the deep end immediately, while still boasting plenty of opportunities for high-level play.

Pretty simple then isnt it, the game is not for you

Thats the nature of the beast that is endgame loop looters, take it or leave it , whats the point complaining.

Its like me going into BR games threads complaining about BR , i just dont do it because whats the point?
Having said that BR suddenly became enjoyable to me with Apex but the point remains

[not talking about you specifically] but there are a few hellbent to moan and whinge about it in here just because they dont like the genre :rolleyes:

It's a horrible excuse IMO. There is not reason why it cannot have a full-filling campaign. "Oh no but the end game" isn't an excuse for lacklustre design.

Actually quite a lot of looter games dont even have a story or a campaign, just straight into endgame so that makes your point redundant straight away.

The whole concept seems to be going right over your head but you see it as an excuse.
I'm pretty sure the majority who enjoy the loot loop gameplay would be quite happy to see no campaign anyways.1000s of hours into this type of game any story becomes forgettable very fast.
Stories or campaigns in this type of game merely serves as a scene setting exercise.

If people don't like this idea then don't play it.

ZiabR

Really good patch, solid changes there and it is available now. I will give it a try later today.

[Deleted User]

ZiabR wrote: »

Really good patch, solid changes there and it is available now. I will give it a try later today.

It's good to hear they are at least addressing some of the immediate issues prior to the release.

[Deleted User]

Gamespot Review - 6/10

https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/anthem-review-no-i-in-team/1900-6417093/

Kiith

I usually have no interest in looter shooters, but this plays so damn well that i'll stick with it for a good while. Haven't gotten to play much this week, but will give it a few hours tonight hopefully.

Dcully

Fred The Red wrote: »

Gamespot Review - 6/10

https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/anthem-review-no-i-in-team/1900-6417093/

You must be sitting there scoring the net for generic review sites in an attempt to back up your opinion on the game and genre.

Maybe check out some reviews from seasoned endgame looter players while your at it.

Here ill help you :P

Meanwhile im off to find some poor reviews for PUBG or maybe something else and stick them into their respective threads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXbEmZOlGqs

ZiabR

I have 6 hours played now and have a good feel for the game. I played the Beta aswell but I am yet to play the next patch.

One thing that is annoying me slightly is the spread of Javlins. I play Colossus myself, which is what I played all through the Beta.

My issue is that EVERYONE seems to be playing Colossus... I played 3 Strongholds last night.

Stronghold One - 2 x Colossus, 2 x Intercepter
Stronghold Two - 2 Colossus, 1 Intercepter, 1 Ranger
Stronghold Three - 4 Colossus

The issue I have with this is that the squad does not have enough DPS to complete "HARD" runs in a timely fashion and often results in squad wipes. Squad wipes are not fun and results in players leaving mid mission. It also means that the final boss fights take forever as you dart to and from teammates trying to revive.

The difference a Storm can make to a Stronghold or Mission in general is amazing, but I have only seen 2 Storm Javlins to date.

Dcully

ZiabR wrote: »

I have 6 hours played now and have a good feel for the game. I played the Beta aswell but I am yet to play the next patch.

One thing that is annoying me slightly is the spread of Javlins. I play Colossus myself, which is what I played all through the Beta.

My issue is that EVERYONE seems to be playing Colossus... I played 3 Strongholds last night.

Stronghold One - 2 x Colossus, 2 x Intercepter
Stronghold Two - 2 Colossus, 1 Intercepter, 1 Ranger
Stronghold Three - 4 Colossus

The issue I have with this is that the squad does not have enough DPS to complete "HARD" runs in a timely fashion and often results in squad wipes. Squad wipes are not fun and results in players leaving mid mission. It also means that the final boss fights take forever as you dart to and from teammates trying to revive.

The difference a Storm can make to a Stronghold or Mission in general is amazing, but I have only seen 2 Storm Javlins to date.

Im seeing plenty of colossus on PC but also a good balance of the others too but for sure colossus seems to top choice overall.
I feel the reason is they can do it all, they can tank,melee dps,ranged dps,trash clear,boss dps, great at both single and aoe dps.

The lightning coil/flamethrower colossus is insane at everything the game can throw at you , i reckon they will nerf it soon.

ZiabR

Dcully wrote: »

Im seeing plenty of colossus on PC but also a good balance of the others too but for sure colossus seems to top choice overall.
I feel the reason is they can do it all, they can tank,melee dps,ranged dps,trash clear,boss dps, great at both single and aoe dps.

The lightning coil/flamethrower colossus is insane at everything the game can throw at you , i reckon they will nerf it soon.

100%, it needs to be nerfed. I am saying this as a Colossus main. It is a joke. Ranger could do with a Buff to make them more viable.

ktulu123

Been playing Storm since the beta, have unlocked Colossus but not bothered using him yet. Storm is just awesome, hover over the battle throwing fire and lightning at guys. Also the ultimate is class

Really enjoying the game, despite some of its flaws. Will give the new patch a shot after work.

Andy Gravity

dreamers75 wrote: »

Got my 1st Masterwork Avenging Herald.

200% damage whilst hovering :eek:

I am Dirty Harry with wings ffs

If you manage to get a 2nd 1, equip it, the buff stacks! it's op as hell on a storm.

GHOST MGG

Game is crashing like a mofo since the patch...5 blue screens,had none before it..arghhh

[Deleted User]

Dcully wrote: »

You must be sitting there scoring the net for generic review sites in an attempt to back up your opinion on the game and genre.

Maybe check out some reviews from seasoned endgame looter players while your at it.

Here ill help you :P

Meanwhile im off to find some poor reviews for PUBG or maybe something else and stick them into their respective threads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXbEmZOlGqs

This is a discussion forum. So all sides of a debate are welcome. It's a divisive game for many a reason.
I'd appreciate less of the passive aggressive comments.

[Deleted User]

GHOST MGG wrote: »

Game is crashing like a mofo since the patch...5 blue screens,had none before it..arghhh

On PC or console?
Ziabr mentioned it runs really well on one x

ZiabR

Fred The Red wrote: »

On PC or console?
Ziabr mentioned it runs really well on one x

I have had very few issues on the One X but I have not installed or tried the new patch yet.

Dcully

Fred The Red wrote: »

This is a discussion forum. So all sides of a debate are welcome. It's a divisive game for many a reason.
I'd appreciate less of the passive aggressive comments.

All sides welcome ofcourse but your trying to force your opinion down everyones throat.
Throwing up generic videos from mainstream rubbish reviewers who dont go anywhere near endgame before rushing out so called reviews.
Have you experienced endgame yourself? I highly doubt it?
If not then with respect you have no right to pass judgement.
Your just regurgitating what you read or watch elsewhere with no experience of it yourself, not clever at all when your attempting to bash a game of this sort.
Atleast experience it for yourself first before embarking on such a crusade.

As for passive aggressive really?lol

goon_magee

I think the issue is people's expectation of what Anthem should be and that this game should contain an epic story in the vein of past Bioware games. IMO, the people who are going to stick around for endgame and provide the future of the franchise aren't as concerned about story (in general), so there really isn't much point in crafting a 40 hour epic when the players who will be hanging round want to get to the endgame loop as soon as possible. It would be a waste of resources.

The fact is this game has a story, complete with a beginning, middle and end, and whilst it may not set the world on alight with depth or length, it does what it needs to with regards setting the context for what we will be doing in the endgame loop for the next few hundred hours.

If you want a huge, epic RPG experience, those games are out there and more will come (hell there is even a new Dragon Age coming for Bioware fans craving something more traditional from them). It seems like people are irked that this is a decent looter shooter rather than a great RPG, even though this game never sets out to be that.

[Deleted User]

Dcully wrote: »

All sides welcome ofcourse but your trying to force your opinion down everyones throat.
Throwing up generic videos from mainstream rubbish reviewers who dont go anywhere near endgame before rushing out so called reviews.
Have you experienced endgame yourself? I highly doubt it?
If not then with respect you have no right to pass judgement.
Your just regurgitating what you read or watch elsewhere with no experience of it yourself, not clever at all when your attempting to bash a game of this sort.
Atleast experience it for yourself first before embarking on such a crusade.

As for passive aggressive really?lol

Yes, multiple posts coming across as passive aggressive.
I've interest in this because I've enjoyed Bioware games in the past.
I will continue to share reviews ect. If you don't like don't read.
You are inventing an narrative. There is no "bashing".
I've also complamented the patch work and the performance on X according to other folks here and am eager to see if it can be improved upon.

Dcully

Yes, multiple posts coming across as passive aggressive.

Multiple passive aggressive posts? Totally disagree however there is a report
feature.

I've interest in this because I've enjoyed Bioware games in the past

Theres your problem right there, as has been pointed out by multiple posters this is nowhere near your usual Bioware game everyone knew this long before release.
If no interest in endgame loot loop then this is not the game for you ,move on and let others enjoy it for what it is.

I will continue to share reviews ect. If you don't like don't read.

If it makes you feel better then by all means , just makes you look silly pulling pointless videos in a vein attempt to add weight to your argument, you know im right here too

Its quite funny actually

You are inventing an narrative. There is no "bashing".

Again you know what you are at you are bashing, dress it up how you like but your just hating on the game without having a clue about endgame :rolleyes:

I've also complamented the patch work and the performance on X according to other folks here and am eager to see if it can be improved upon.

Clutching at straws comes to mind.

eggy81

What's this like compared to Destiny. Played Destiny up as far as the taken king and list interest from there on. Never bothered with 2. Thinking of giving this a try.

awec

I think people are mostly wise to these sort of games by now, having been burnt by Destiny, The Division etc.

This one won't last, a few months and it'll be a niche game played by a few people who love the mindless grinding. Other than that, everyone will have moved on.

[Deleted User]

Dcully wrote: »

Multiple passive aggressive posts? Totally disagree however there is a report
feature.

Theres your problem right there, as has been pointed out by multiple posters this is nowhere near your usual Bioware game everyone knew this long before release.
If no interest in endgame loot loop then this is not the game for you ,move on and let others enjoy it for what it is.

If it makes you feel better then by all means , just makes you look silly pulling pointless videos in a vein attempt to add weight to your argument, you know im right here too Its quite funny actually

Again you know what you are at you are bashing, dress it up how you like but your just hating on the game without having a clue about endgame :rolleyes:

Clutching at straws comes to mind.

Yea the above is all waffle. No point in engaging with you any further for the sake of the thread.

awec

eggy81 wrote: »

What's this like compared to Destiny. Played Destiny up as far as the taken king and list interest from there on. Never bothered with 2. Thinking of giving this a try.

It's basically vanilla Destiny with jetpacks, and with PvP stripped out.

Stand here for x minutes, gather x of these things, kill x of these things, grab that thing and bring it here.

It doesn't tell it's story via poxy grimoire cards, so it's better than destiny in that regard.

goon_magee

awec wrote: »

I think people are mostly wise to these sort of games by now, having been burnt by Destiny, The Division etc.

This one won't last, a few months and it'll be a niche game played by a few people who love the mindless grinding. Other than that, everyone will have moved on.

If the content is regular and adds to the game in meaningful and interesting ways people will stick around. Millions still play Destiny and the Division was able to claw back a steady player base once they course corrected. If Bioware can manage to knock it out of the Park with the first season of updates, starting in March I don't see any reason why the game won't last.

Of course they could balls it up royally and you'd be right, but I dont think it's as simplistic or clear cut as you're making out.

OptimusTractor

goon_magee wrote: »

If the content is regular and adds to the game in meaningful and interesting ways people will stick around. Millions still play Destiny and the Division was able to claw back a steady player base once they course corrected. If Bioware can manage to knock it out of the Park with the first season of updates, starting in March I don't see any reason why the game won't last.

Of course they could balls it up royally and you'd be right, but I dont think it's as simplistic or clear cut as you're making out.

This is where I'm going to use my Destiny experience and wait to see if within a year they release the base game + dlc for the same price, or close to it, the base game was originally.

TitianGerm

OptimusTractor wrote: »

This is where I'm going to use my Destiny experience and wait to see if within a year they release the base game + dlc for the same price, or close to it, the base game was originally.

The DLC is free for Anthem I think.

Nody

goon_magee wrote: »

If the content is regular and adds to the game in meaningful and interesting ways people will stick around. Millions still play Destiny and the Division was able to claw back a steady player base once they course corrected. If Bioware can manage to knock it out of the Park with the first season of updates, starting in March I don't see any reason why the game won't last.

I can give you 6 million reasons why; EA expects a minimum of 5-6 million sold units by end of March; if Anthem fails to hit that the funding of the continued updates to the game will go accordingly due to "failing to meet expectations". The problem is not if Anthem can have a couple of million players; it's that EA expects Anthem to have 5+ million players or it's a failure and will act accordingly. Remember this is suppose to be Bioware's last chance to make up the earlier failures (i.e. ME:A etc.) that did not sell enough.

That is the biggest worry for the game; not if Bioware can make good games (they can) but how / when / if EA will pull out the chainsaw on the development team for failing to meet their expectations.

OptimusTractor

TitianGerm wrote: »

The DLC is free for Anthem I think.

Cunning plan down the drain.