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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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ScrubsfanChris

Are these parking spaces facing the wrong direction?

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mire

whisky_galore wrote: »

Generally speaking they are awful looking yokes.
The only new development that I like is the Capitol, which at least makes an attempt to blend into the surrounding buildings.

I also like the Capitol development, but there are no rules in the world of planning and design which stipulate that new developments need to 'blend in'. New buildings should be allowed to set their own context.

AugustusMinimus

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Are these parking spaces facing the wrong direction?

Not if you reverse into them.

namloc1980

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Are these parking spaces facing the wrong direction?

I like the way the wall on the right still has the grubby looking graffiti. Very fancy.

chalkitdown1

namloc1980 wrote: »

I like the way the wall on the right still has the grubby looking graffiti. Very fancy.

That whole area and the R&H building should be the next to go. Absolute eyesore, like something out of North Korea or Soviet Russia. Is it actually an abandoned building or is there something going on in there?

opus

The new student hub in UCC is starting to take shape, pics from a lunchtime walk.

Also passed the new bridge for the Bons on my way back.

Whoever said the newish UCC pedestrian bridge from Western Rd was ugly was spot on, it really is hideous!

Curb Your Enthusiasm

That UCC Bridge is already starting to look grubby too.... Terrible idea!

satanta99

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

That UCC Bridge is already starting to look grubby too.... Terrible idea!

That's not a UCC bridge. It is part of the Bons hospital. It replaced an older bridge and it links a surface car park for the Bons on the south side of the river.

TheChizler

satanta99 wrote: »

That's not a UCC bridge. It is part of the Bons hospital. It replaced an older bridge and it links a surface car park for the Bons on the south side of the river.

There's a new UCC bridge between Perrott's Inch and the lower grounds.

satanta99

TheChizler wrote: »

There's a new UCC bridge between Perrott's Inch and the lower grounds.

It looks great from the Western Road and opens up the lower grounds of the campus.

Patrick 1959

Snootboogie , any updates on Cork list of developments .

GavRedKing

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

That whole area and the R&H building should be the next to go. Absolute eyesore, like something out of North Korea or Soviet Russia. Is it actually an abandoned building or is there something going on in there?

I'm not sure.

Wasnt there a fire in the building years ago, I assumed it was pretty much ear marked for demolition?

snotboogie

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Snootboogie , any updates on Cork list of developments .

I’ll do a full update at the end of March for Q1. Month by month was getting a bit repetitive. I think we’ll see a fair bit of action over the next 5 or 6 weeks so it should be a good one!

questionmark?

snotboogie wrote: »

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Snootboogie , any updates on Cork list of developments .

I’ll do a full update at the end of March for Q1. Month by month was getting a bit repetitive. I think we’ll see a fair bit of action over the next 5 or 6 weeks so it should be a good one!

You give great updates. I'm sure many like myself appriciate your efforts.

chalkitdown1

The Evening Echo do the development updates a lot better, though.

rino87

Speaking of the docks, does anyone know if there are any plans for the old Odlums building? The big red-brick warehouse just passed Southern Milling, which to answer an earlier question, is still in Operation.

The odlums building used to have an "earmark for demolition" banner on it, but that's gone now. It's a beautiful building, would be a crying shame to see it knocked, would make really cool apartments if done right.

questionmark?

RINO87 wrote: »

Speaking of the docks, does anyone know if there are any plans for the old Odlums building? The big red-brick warehouse just passed Southern Milling, which to answer an earlier question, is still in Operation.

The odlums building used to have an "earmark for demolition" banner on it, but that's gone now. It's a beautiful building, would be a crying shame to see it knocked, would make really cool apartments if done right.

Really? I would knock the whole lot. Find Oldlums and Southern Milling a horrible entrance to Cork. That whole area has so much potential for high rise apartments, offices, hotels, bars, boardwalk etc... That would be then mirrored by the same in Tivoli. The future is bright if the nimbys/an taisce can be defeated.

Patrick 1959

snotboogie wrote: »

I’ll do a full update at the end of March for Q1. Month by month was getting a bit repetitive. I think we’ll see a fair bit of action over the next 5 or 6 weeks so it should be a good one!

Looking forward to that.

rino87

questionmark? wrote: »

Really? I would knock the whole lot. Find Oldlums and Southern Milling a horrible entrance to Cork. That whole area has so much potential for high rise apartments, offices, hotels, bars, boardwalk etc... That would be then mirrored by the same in Tivoli. The future is bright if the nimbys/an taisce can be defeated.

yeah, something about that building. Actually think it looks good from the opposite side of the river, the rest I agree is a mess.

Nigel Fairservice

RINO87 wrote: »

Speaking of the docks, does anyone know if there are any plans for the old Odlums building? The big red-brick warehouse just passed Southern Milling, which to answer an earlier question, is still in Operation.

The odlums building used to have an "earmark for demolition" banner on it, but that's gone now. It's a beautiful building, would be a crying shame to see it knocked, would make really cool apartments if done right.

I agree, I really love the Odlums building as well. I love the view of it from Horgan's Quay. If done properly I think it could make a good apartment complex. They've done fantastic work in places like Hamburg in turning old brick warehouses into apartment buildings.

Frostybrew

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

That whole area and the R&H building should be the next to go. Absolute eyesore, like something out of North Korea or Soviet Russia. Is it actually an abandoned building or is there something going on in there?

It's currently in use as a grain silo. It might also be a protected structure. I've seen it on a list of buildings of architectural merit. It would be great to see it repurposed along similar lines to the Gateshead Baltic Flour Mill.

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'm not sure.

Wasnt there a fire in the building years ago, I assumed it was pretty much ear marked for demolition?

That was one of the other silo buildings. Huge fire in 2006 or 2007. There used to be five silo buildings, but three were knocked after the fire.

RINO87 wrote: »

Speaking of the docks, does anyone know if there are any plans for the old Odlums building? The big red-brick warehouse just passed Southern Milling, which to answer an earlier question, is still in Operation.

The odlums building used to have an "earmark for demolition" banner on it, but that's gone now. It's a beautiful building, would be a crying shame to see it knocked, would make really cool apartments if done right.

The Odlums building is a protected structure or at least the front of it is. Much of the building was knocked recently, but the facade is protected as it has an unusual design. The lower section was built first in the style of a 19th century mill with the upper section added much later with a very different "art deco style". It's very visually striking up close and would be a considerable loss to the cities' industrial architectural heritage if demolished.

Markcheese

questionmark? wrote: »

Really? I would knock the whole lot. Find Oldlums and Southern Milling a horrible entrance to Cork. That whole area has so much potential for high rise apartments, offices, hotels, bars, boardwalk etc... That would be then mirrored by the same in Tivoli. The future is bright if the nimbys/an taisce can be defeated.

They knocked the mill at the back of the odlums building, it's just the facade that's left (I think).

Yeah it's rundown, but theres no need to knock it...it can be used in a new development, as was the front of navigation house, parts of hogan's Quay, lavitts Quay Ect..

the beer revolu

I would really, really hate to see R&H Hall go.
For me, it's an iconic Cork building with an ugly beauty.
It could be repurposed.

But then, I liked the old government buildings/sample studios, too. I miss that building.

Nigel Fairservice

the beer revolu wrote: »

I would really, really hate to see R&H Hall go.
For me, it's an iconic Cork building with an ugly beauty.
It could be repurposed.

But then, I liked the old government buildings/sample studios, too. I miss that building.

To me it's like Cork's equivalent of the Poolbeg chimney stacks in Dublin. Industrial beauty. I can see why a lot of people would tear the place down but I hope they find some way of integrating it into the new docklands.

marno21

Public meeting in relation to the planned Burj Khalifa replica in Glanmire

https://twitter.com/oliver_moran/status/1097986616596070400

How rare of the Green Party to be getting involved

SleetAndSnow

marno21 wrote: »

Public meeting in relation to the planned Burj Khalifa replica in Glanmire

https://twitter.com/oliver_moran/status/1097986616596070400

How rare of the Green Party to be getting involved

over 4 stories? What a disgrace. How dare they.

Frostybrew

the beer revolu wrote: »

I would really, really hate to see R&H Hall go.
For me, it's an iconic Cork building with an ugly beauty.
It could be repurposed.

But then, I liked the old government buildings/sample studios, too. I miss that building.

There's a number of buildings in the Docklands which should remain. I'd also include the Marina generating station, and part of the fords building. Luckily the bonded warehouses future is secure with it's preservation order. The beauty of the docklands site is: because of it's size there is ample space for both modern new development, while still retaining some of the older structures.

Cork as a city has always had a rich industrial heritage which sets it apart from the Republic's other cities, which were really just large rural market towns. Even Dublin's main industries (Guinness, Jacobs) were a by product of agriculture and, as a city, it didn't begin to industrialise in a traditional sense until the 1960s.

It's a history that is only now starting to be celebrated, and preserving structures such as R&H Hall and Odlums would be a valid part of that process.

WoolyJumper

marno21 wrote: »

Public meeting in relation to the planned Burj Khalifa replica in Glanmire

https://twitter.com/oliver_moran/status/1097986616596070400

How rare of the Green Party to be getting involved

Take away from the character of Glanmire? The character of Glanmire is basically just tree's and housing estates. As long as trees aren't being pulled down everywhere I wouldnt be too concerned. What is worrying though is the road infrastructure. They need to make a start on those plans before the consider building any more developments

Frostybrew

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Take away from the character of Glanmire? The character of Glanmire is basically just tree's and housing estates. As long as trees aren't being pulled down everywhere I wouldnt be too concerned. What is worrying though is the road infrastructure. They need to make a start on those plans before the consider building any more developments

Yes, the infrastructural improvements need to begin immediately. I don't have a problem with the height. An area of concern would be the 102 car spaces for just 66 apartments. Presumably these are also for the commercial element to the project, but it doesn't set a responsible marker for sustainable transport. Especially as the development is on a planned cycle route and a soon to be high frequency bus route.

marno21

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Take away from the character of Glanmire? The character of Glanmire is basically just tree's and housing estates. As long as trees aren't being pulled down everywhere I wouldnt be too concerned. What is worrying though is the road infrastructure. They need to make a start on those plans before the consider building any more developments

If the Ballinglanna development was ok wrt road infrastructure I fail to see how this apartment block is the straw that breaks the camels back.

Realistically, improved bus corridors, better cycling facilities and probably some sort of train station in Dunkettle area with lots of bike spaces and maybe car parking spaces is what's needed