A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » Almost nobody (here or in the real world) who describes themselves as an employer, would hire a member of the travelling community. The unempolyment problem doesn't just work one-way.
Kivaro wrote: » As much as I despise Cash and everything that she stands for with her entitled mentality, which is reinforced by Government policy, and irrespective of a degenerate mother putting pictures of her children on social media and using them in a disgusting way in order to get a free forever home for life paid by the workers/contributors of the country ............ is there any chance of leaving her kids out of the discussion?
nullzero wrote: » I think you'll find that the correct term is childer.
Dante7 wrote: » As always, education is the answer. Education and contraception to empower women is how it progresses. Be very careful of any organisation trying to tell you otherwise.
Idbatterim wrote: » If it’s Margaret cash that has won the euro millions, she might repay the taxpayer the high hundreds of thousands if not into the million, that she has cost the taxpayer of this country so far in her life!
Paddy Cow wrote: » Absolute BS. Travellers have 85% unemployment. Settled people have 5% unemployment. A disproportionate amount of your tax is being spent on travellers. A huge amount of that goes on Garda resources to tackle crime committed by them. The courts and legal aid eats up another fair bit. The government also throws huge amounts on trying to keep traveller kids in secondary school but they might as well be burning the money as the adults don't want the kids getting educated or mixing with settled kids beyond primary school. Meanwhile we have decent law abiding tax paying people who can't access resources for their kids because the services are too stretched. Away and sh!te with your virtue signalling.
punisher5112 wrote: » Bono bought it in Dalkey.
Idbatterim wrote: » Reduce welfare to parents unless the kids complete secondary education at least. Also don’t pay out welfare until someone has worked for minimum a year ...
LollipopJimmy wrote: » I had stated earlier in the thread that I invited a traveller for interview and he didn’t show. I do believe there are plenty of employers that would employ travellers given the chance but receiving an application from a traveller is rare. I’ve had one application in many years of recruitment
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class: Finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until at least age 21 to get married and have children. People who do these basic things have a very good chance of escaping their background. But look at how Travellers do on these metrics. Only about 8 percent of Traveller children complete secondary education, with the majority dropping out of school between the ages of 12 and 15. Only a small minority of Travellers have full-time jobs -- in fact, there are more adult male Travellers on disability allowance than there are in full-time employment. And many Travellers marry and have children while still in their teens themselves. Margaret Cash is Exhibit A here. Left school at 12, married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 27. Anybody who genuinely cares about Travellers' well-being should be trying to stamp out traditions of early school-leaving, rampant unemployment, and girls getting married as young as 16. Remarkably, though, people who criticize these aspects of Traveller culture are labelled racists and right-wing bigots. It makes no sense.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class: Finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until at least age 21 to get married and have children. People who do these basic things have a very good chance of escaping their background.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18? I wonder if they ever ask themselves why that was? Were they being lazy and delinquent (almost certainly not), or was it a reflection of the culture and the financial pressures that they lived under, at that time? (Almost certainly the latter) People can chew gum and walk straight. I am well aware that traveller children are born into a culture which doesn't fit well with our contemporary expectations of the minimal quality-of-life expectations mainstream society has for our children. But at the same time, I recognise that mainstream society is needlessly alienating and even demonising travellers for some of their most worthwhile traditions - such as living in an extended-family setting, an emphasis on outdoor life, being robust and resilient - many of the things that we lament as being missing from our own, settled (dare I say sedentary?) lives.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » You should apply to Pavee Point as a PR Officer.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades wrote: That was a great speech in fairness. She should stand for election, I'd vote for her.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades wrote: She seems very driven, very energetic, articulate and she's standing up for the little guy. Those are pretty good traits in a politician, in my book. You don't have to like her to think she'd be an effective politician.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades wrote: In fairness to her, not many politicians could deliver a speech like that even with notes. she reminds me of a young, female Michael D! Margaret Cash for President, anyone?
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18? I wonder if they ever ask themselves why that was? Were they being lazy and delinquent (almost certainly not), or was it a reflection of the culture and the financial pressures that they lived under, at that time? (Almost certainly the latter) People can chew gum and walk straight. I am well aware that traveller children are born into a culture which doesn't fit well with our contemporary expectations of the minimal quality-of-life expectations mainstream society has for our children. But at the same time, I recognise that mainstream society is needlessly alienating and even demonising travellers for some of their most worthwhile traditions - such as living in an extended-family setting, an emphasis on outdoor life, being robust and resilient - many of the things that we lament as being missing from our own, settled (dare I say sedentary?) lives. For all its faults, traveller kids growing up today probably have a quality of life that some users of this forum had in the 1960s and 1970s. That carries with is advantages as well as disadvantages. I daresay they have a happier childhood than a lot of housebound, suburban kids.
Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: » American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class:
KrustyUCC wrote: » Ha that would be funny Some jems from a previous thread talking about Margaret
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?
Icsics wrote: And they should stop marrying close relations
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Irrelevant, what are the percentage of settled people working versus the percentage of travellers working.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: » Haven't researched this - I'd say there's an enormous differential. What is the percentage of employers who would prefer to hire a settled, middle-class person over a traveller? Again, probably an enormous differential.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: Haven't researched this - I'd say there's an enormous differential.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So you question how many posters here may not have finished school but you have no idea how many travellers are in the workforce?
I'll give you a clue it's a very small number. Any thoughts why or do you seek to blame everyone other than the traveller?
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: I have a rough idea of both, based on ESRI stats. I'm not so much as interested in the precise figures, just wondering whether people are capable of drawing a correlation between their upbringing, and that of young travellers today.
A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: I certainly don't deny that travellers, in general, need to improve their efforts in ensuring that all of their children are capable of participating in our economy. At the same time, it's obvious that employers are discriminating against travellers, which can render all of that hard work futile.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » So you question how many posters here may not have finished school but you have no idea how many travellers are in the workforce? I'll give you a clue it's a very small number. Any thoughts why or do you seek to blame everyone other than the traveller?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » If it's so obvious you will have no problem backing up your claim, when you are ready.....
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