markodaly wrote: » This is hilarious on your part.
You ignored all the points I made regarding the malaise of the 70's in the UK and the 'Britsh Disease', you pick one metric and base your opinion on that therefore the 70's were better because of that one metric.
On, wage growth, to compare the world economy of this decade to the 70's is a very clear cut example of wanton disregard of the facts and reality.
During this decade, China was still cut off from the world where its economy was still largely agrarian and feudal. It was only in the late 80's that they really started to drop the Marxism/Maoism and adopt a more practical approach to growth. When China woke up, it changed everything.
In other words, globalisation is THE biggest factor in determining wage growth in the West.
Another factor would be record level of inward migration. (The 70's had net emigration), but no one wants to talk about that factoid.
The rise of automation, technology also raises productivity without the wage growth of yesteryear. In other words, its complex.
If you don't want to engage in the reality of now versus the 70's, thats fine.
But dont engage in Trumpian soundbites of making the 'UK great again' and expect not to be called out on it.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Keir Starmer is just waiting to take over, Corbyn's inner circle doesn't want to give him any more screen time than possible. Another Labour party MP has quithttps://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1097980352008765440
Water John wrote: » OP better come up with a different Post Head or indent an updateable number. Three Conservatives may jump also, whether they stay as a separate group, isn't known.
markodaly wrote: » In other words, globalisation is THE biggest factor in determining wage growth in the West. Another factor would be record level of inward migration. (The 70's had net emigration), but no one wants to talk about that factoid. The rise of automation, technology also raises productivity without the wage growth of yesteryear. In other words, its complex.https://www.afr.com/news/economy/weak-wages-caused-by-technology-globalisation-20170709-gx7hts
Folkstonian wrote: » I just think that politicians, especially those who aspire to the ‘great offices of state’ need to have a certain sharpness and authority to them. They need to be able to walk into a meeting room full of civil servants, or address the public in front of a television camera, and be able to deliver the message with a high degree of confidence. I don’t see it with Diane Abbott and I never have. She’s generally slow, ponderous, and very light on any actual substance. The ‘10 thousand coppers at 30 pounds a head’ debacle before the last general election was a bit of a case in point. You mention the likes of Raab and Rees-Mogg and I agree to an extent, but even they (on a good day) can deliver a punchy, often relatively compelling message and look, at least for a few minutes like they know what they are doing. This is all before you get to things like her defence of Mao, her comments about Finnish nurses, West Indian mums, white people playing divide and conquer.. and so on. She honestly doesn’t seem like a particularly switched on, or particularly pleasant person. I get that she was a trailblazer for women of colour back in the 80s, and her place in labour history is assured for that reason. But is she really the best they have to offer in the here and now for the job of shadow home sec? I just can’t see how she can be.
markodaly wrote: » Diane Abbott is comes across terribly on TV, and she is always a second away from making a gaff. Why Labour put her forward all the time for media appearances baffles me.
prawnsambo wrote: » I've only seen her a few times on TV, but I wouldn't be impressed with her grasp of detail. But to be fair, that's a pretty low bar when you think of geniuses like Raab, Davis and of course our perennial favourite Nadine Dorries. I'm not including JRM or Johnson in that list because I don't know whether to be generous and call them a bit dumb or blatantly disingenuous.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Well I wasn't there but the most important thing for workers would be wage growth and well, it was better than the 2010s and the 2000s.
"Globalisation and technology may have changed the relation between growth, labour markets and inflation in a way that challenges the existing monetary policy frameworks," notes Barclays head of economic research, Christian Keller. The famous Phillips Curve, which dictates that declining unemployment will ultimately trigger wage inflation, is flattening out. Consequently, interest rates are much lower than historic norms. In the US, Bernanke says the emergence of China as a global trading power was particularly disruptive, with adverse effects on the wages and employment opportunities of many American workers of moderate or lower skills.
Havockk wrote: » This is nothing but thinly disguised racism. If no one else wants to call it out I will.
Folkstonian wrote: » Diane Abbott gets a lot of attention and scrutiny because she is wheeled out by Labour for television and radio probably more than any other member of the shadow cabinet - I can’t think of another female politician other than the PM who does quite as much media work as her. My personal view is that she is uniquely unfit for office, based on some of her quite unpalatable views, her apparent inability to grasp basic issues, her lack of communication or leadership skills and so on. Nothing to do with her ethnic background or her gender. I think most of the ‘abuse’ she receives focuses purely on her politics - as I have done there - and people shouldn’t ever be rebuked for criticising the political statements and positions of elected politicians Where it crosses the line from political criticism and becomes a personal attack on her ethnicity, then absolutely it becomes a real problem and possibly even a hate crime, but I’m not convinced that most of that 40% of all criticism for female MPs that goes towards Abbott does indeed cross that line. If that’s not the case I’m always happy to be enlightened, but that’s personally what I see as the difference between a lot of the abuse copped by Luciana Berger, Margaret Hodge etc.. and Abbott
prawnsambo wrote: » It's not that hard. You can use the search facility on Twitter to look for certain keywords in tweets to a particular handle. I could do it for you now, but I'd have to charge you.
Aegir wrote: » 40% of abuse on twitter for female MPs how does anyone come up with a stat like that? does some sit there counting the number of abusive posts each female MP gets?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » I know you wanted to restrict the criterion, but I didn't let you. Diane gets 40% of the abuse on twitter for female MPs, she's from a visible and historically oppressed minority, and she is clearly getting attacked by right wingers, many of them no doubt conservatives.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Ruth George really helping the split.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47296591
Ruth George sorry for claiming ex-Labour MPs may have Israeli backing A Labour MP has apologised for claiming a group of ex-colleagues who quit the party in protest over anti-Semitism may be backed by the Israeli government. Ruth George, the MP for High Peak, suggested it was "possible" the seven MPs who jumped ship on Monday were being supported by the state of Israel.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » The difference is that the Labour party is supposed to champion the downtrodden while the Tories are supposed to ensure that they remain downtrodden.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Well I wasn't there but the most important thing for workers would be wage growth and well, it was better than the 2010s and the 2000s.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/31/real-wages-falling-longest-period-ons-record The article is from 2014. Thought that might bother you so I did a bit more research andhttps://fullfact.org/economy/how-have-wages-changed/ Peaking at the stats there the ten years from 2008 to 2018 see real wages drop from £560 to £520. In comparison from 1970 2.9% compounded would see growth of about 33% per decade. That £560 would have been £745 and we'd all be happy with capitalism.
Folkstonian wrote: » I must have missed the day she joined the Conservative party, and all the stacks of evidence that the abuse she copped came from Tory members and councillors. I was probably out foraging for bits of leftover offal!
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Well there is Diane Abbot, Corbyn's right hand woman.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/18/diane-abbott-calls-for-twitter-to-clamp-down-on-hate-speech
Folkstonian wrote: » This manner of response reminds me of the Harry and Paul Question Time sketch; ‘But the tories, the tories the tories. The tories.’ It’s no good trying to deflect and distract from the issue. I’m sure there are some racists in the Conservative party, but I don’t think they are hunting in packs on social media to bully people speaking up about bigotry from the party ranks. We don’t see many black Tory MPs talking about the abuse they cop from fellow conservatives for speaking up about racism. When we do, if the media are still ignoring it, I’ll concede that you have a point.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » I think if we spent the same amount of time investigating the racism of the conservatives over the years as we have the anti semitism of a Labour Party whose last leader was Jewish we would find vastly more transgressions. Like the piccananies comment of one of the Tory Brexiteers, a gaff that would destroy the political career of most politicians in most countries.
Folkstonian wrote: » It really demonstrates how desperately worried and keen to discredit the newly formed independent group the far leftists of Corbyn’s labour are that they are going all out to make an equivalence between an isolated slip of the tongue yesterday and several years of widespread, institutional, targeted antisemitic abuse and bullying. I’m glad they are worried, I think they should be too. I hope the independents thrive.
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