FTA69 wrote: » As sh*t as Robinson is though, there’s a reason people are being drawn to the far-right though and it’s not mass stupidity. The broad left in Europe basically threw working class people on the scrapheap for years and now have little or no credibility and have offered no hope. Robinson, Le Pen et al are those who’ll fill the gap.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » I do believe though that it is a manufactured "crisis". The rise of fascism in the 30's was due to genuinely hard times. It was easy for grifters and bullies to sell snake oil to the desperate masses. What is the emergency today? The people who scream the loudest about their plight, what is their actual suffering? Most have a job, a house, a car and enough left over to enjoy life a bit. They are now being told that they somehow are victims and they are losing out due to (whatever scapegoats). No one in Europe has what can be described as a terrible life. But it is apparent that appealing to people's greed, stupidity and sense of victimhood always works. Especially when there's someone to hate. Humans truly are very base beings. Scrape away thematic thin sheen of civilisation and you find vicious apes beneath. Why else is it so easy to appeal to people's base instincts.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » I do believe though that it is a manufactured "crisis". The rise of fascism in the 30's was due to genuinely hard times. It was easy for grifters and bullies to sell snake oil to the desperate masses. What is the emergency today? The people who scream the loudest about their plight, what is their actual suffering? Most have a job, a house, a car and enough left over to enjoy life a bit. They are now being told that they somehow are victims and they are losing out due to (whatever scapegoats). No one in Europe has what can be described as a terrible life. But it is apparent that appealing to people's greed, stupidity and sense of victimhood always works. Especially when there's someone to hate. Humans truly are very base beings. Scrape away the thin sheen of civilisation and you find vicious apes beneath. Why else is it so easy to appeal to people's base instincts.
mcmoustache wrote: » declan2693 wrote: » You tell em retardo Why does a fraudster who hangs out with pedos appeal to you? Personally, I have no time for people like that and most people would be the same but clearly, there's something about that makes you react differently. I'm just curious about what that is.
declan2693 wrote: » You tell em retardo
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » FTA69 wrote: » As sh*t as Robinson is though, there’s a reason people are being drawn to the far-right though and it’s not mass stupidity. The broad left in Europe basically threw working class people on the scrapheap for years and now have little or no credibility and have offered no hope. Robinson, Le Pen et al are those who’ll fill the gap. I do believe though that it is a manufactured "crisis". The rise of fascism in the 30's was due to genuinely hard times. It was easy for grifters and bullies to sell snake oil to the desperate masses. What is the emergency today? The people who scream the loudest about their plight, what is their actual suffering? Most have a job, a house, a car and enough left over to enjoy life a bit. They are now being told that they somehow are victims and they are losing out due to (whatever scapegoats). No one in Europe has what can be described as a terrible life. But it is apparent that appealing to people's greed, stupidity and sense of victimhood always works. Especially when there's someone to hate. Humans truly are very base beings. Scrape away the thin sheen of civilisation and you find vicious apes beneath. Why else is it so easy to appeal to people's base instincts.
FTA69 wrote: » This is the sort of attitude that leads to the rise of the far right really. Try spinning that line to someone in Barnsley or Grimsby working on a zero hours contract for minimum wage in some warehouse, either him or friends and family reliant on food banks and no real prospects with crumbling public services. All this in a community where once there were decent paid industrial jobs and a community that had pride in itself. Things are actually sh*te for increasing numbers of people. Stagnating wages, precarious contracts, unaffordable housing, crap jobs and worse public services. Until people wake up to the fact that swathes of the population are being failed badly, the left will never really success. You’re shouting “things are grand” to groups of people who are utterly devoid of hope and whose communities have been destroyed.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I completely agree there’s a reason people listen to him. There’s always an inequality at the heart of the reason why people protest. The working class aren’t doing as well as they should be. There’s plenty of money going around but it’s being fumbled increasingly to the wealthy. The idea of blaming ‘the left’ really bugs me because it’s the neoliberal policies which are causing trouble for the working class. The gig economy, pensions, lack of trade unions and collective bargaining, job uncertainty, wage stagnation. Those are real issues. These people are completely right to protest. But the problem is they’re blaming the wrong things. They’re angry and TR and the likes are channeling that anger to suit himself.
FTA69 wrote: » Absolutely no argument with most of what you’re saying. They’re blaming the wrong people. When I say the left f*cked up I mean 1) Blair presided over neo-liberalism for years and took working class voters from granted and 2) across Europe the left were complicit in the system and offered no real alternative bar “that’s your lot now” and some socially progressive stuff on minorities that didn’t address economic inequality. When the broad left like Labour in the UK can offer a radical departure it’ll gain traction, but unfortunately we’re now combatting twenty years of anger that has built up toward that party in working class areas and having a majority of MPs who are snakey careerist bastards doesn’t help at all. I think a lot of people turn to xenophobia because it’s a simple explanation. No jobs? Foreigners took them. NHS is in ruins? Health tourism innit. No housing? I blame the EU. The left has been poor enough at putting forward a grander vision that addresses the root cause of these. Also I’m not at all suggesting that racism isn’t a powerful force in society, it is. The UK is built on it and that’s always a vein we have to deal with.
Odhinn wrote: » Nobody going to address the above.....?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Shhh...
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I don't think it bothers them. They're just trying to circumvent accusations of racism as it gives people a legitimate excuse to ignore the fake news and conspiracies people like Yaxley-Lennon spread.
rgossip30 wrote: » Odhinn wrote: » Nobody going to address the above.....? This could be one the reasons he left the EDL . I know he did state that he found it had become too extremist .
rgossip30 wrote: » This could be one the reasons he left the EDL . I know he did state that he found it had become too extremist .
mcmoustache wrote: » rgossip30 wrote: » This could be one the reasons he left the EDL . I know he did state that he found it had become too extremist . That's correct. He said that he was concerned about the "dangers of far-right extremism". The group containing an alarming number of pedos doesn't seem to have been a problem for him, however.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » It’s a question of whether he’s actually concerned about pedos or Muslims. It’s clear enough that he’s only using pedos as a stick to beat Muslims.
rgossip30 wrote: » Well it's the BBC at present
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What’s the bbc?
rgossip30 wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » What’s the bbc? Is that an attempt at humour .
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » No. You said “it’s the bbc at present and I asked what is the bbc at present? What were you talking about?
The Highwayman wrote: » TR is the subject of a BBC Panorama investigation. It turns out when the BBC were starting their research they reached out to different people who had worked with him or knew him in some way. From what I understand some woman who the BBC contacted told Tommy. So Tommy and this woman and I'm guessing others started a reverse investigation on the BBC, secret cameras, microphones etc. There are a few teaser clips on you tube and to be honest John Seeeny could be in trouble. He's shown running up outrageous bills at lunch with TV licence payers money Filmed making some very elitist and classless snobbery remarks about working class people. Then he admits to leering at some Iranian woman. There are many people over the last few years who have lost their jobs for much less however this is the BBC so nobody is talking about It. He said there is a whole documentary of stuff and he's going to show it some date this month. The stuff shown does show John Sweeney in a very bad light but the full show will have to have a lot more to get any traction with MSM.
Grayson wrote: » I have to say, the list of convicted paedophiles in the EDL from a few pages back is shocking. I wonder what percentage that amounts to.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » why is it always videos with Tommy fans? Have they heard of autocorrect?
Grayson wrote: » And they're very recultant to actually explain what's in a video. So why shouldn't i do the same. here's a video of a comedian talking to a load of EDL supporters. The supporters in general are some of the dumbest people you could meet There's one great bit where one guy says that they need more terrorist attacks to get people to dislike muslims more.
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