Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » You want links for recent polls Google them yourself. But since you said please, here's the results In the referendum. 60.7% voted leave in Penistone and Stocksbridge 54.6%. voted leave in Luton South So, leave constituencies. Smith has zero chance of being reelected. Tories will take that seat.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's a break from the herd. I can see dozens more joining them if both parties maintain their current positions over the next seven weeks.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » The tory vote has held solid, if anything there has been a small seepage to UKIP, when May's deal was announced for instance. Theres no obvious remainers leaving, if there were it would see the libs rise as the Tory's fall. Labour remainers have largely held solid as well, but in recent polls it looks ike a few percentages have moved to the libs. Some of that may now go to the new party.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » It'd actually help Labour if a few tories jumped ship and joined the independent registered company not a party, party. Soubry and Grieve are too concerned with holding their seat though.
listermint wrote: » You made an assertion so back it up with recent polls or don't because it goes against what you are saying. And those calling for these to reflect the labour vote. They are reflecting more than anyone because the majority want a second referendum. These are facts that you lads keep ignoring or attempting to talk around. It's laughable.
MrMusician18 wrote: » No one will join them. It's career suicide.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » I made an assertion that 2 of the MPs were in leave constituencies, they are. I backed it up. I think it's laughable, or maybe a bit worrying you're seeing things in posts that aren't there.
Folkstonian wrote: » Good on them, then. It’s really refreshing to see some politicians on the centre left show some bottle, stand up for their values and not just sit on the back benches collecting a pay packet for the next couple of decades whole rolling their eyes occasionally of the party that once, though no longer, felt like a home to them. PS - speaking about the antisemitic abuse she received from party activists already appeared to be career suicide for poor Luciana Berger who looked destined to be deselected anyway. What did she have to lose?
listermint wrote: » Ahh I see. You went googling.... You've been gone a while and noticed all those leave constituencies you earmarked have switched to remain and the polls all indicate labour were going to lose them by not backing remain. Cheers for participating though it's been rich.
Havockk wrote: » It's getting really weird that you keep bring up antisemitism in just about every single post you have made in this thread, completely out of the blue. I went back and checked as I remembered the last few occasions.
Folkstonian wrote: » Deeply odd behaviour on your part, but what you do with your time is your own business. I bring up antisemitism because it’s prevalence in labour - and the complete failure to eradicate it - were central to this group of MPs decision making process before leaving the party. I don’t think this is too much of a surprise - it was referenced by literally all seven of them in their speeches this morning. Why does it make you uneasy for this discussion about antisemitic abuse to be held? In fact - don’t answer. I wont be engaging with you again in this thread, you slightly weird man.
Folkstonian wrote: » Who do you think they are meant to be helping? They cannot help the Labour Party. It’s gone. It’s done. It’s in the hands of extremists and they wont be letting go. They’ve been trying to help by speaking out about certain issues for over three years and have achieved nothing but to make themselves targets of some pretty disgraceful abuse. They’ve left the Labour Party because it no longer reflects their values, their morals or their politics. They can now speak and vote freely on important issues and not be condemned by association with what’s going on in British Labour.
Varik wrote: » Out of the blue? It's the reason they said they left the labour party, so the entire topic of this thread.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » The Labour Party is gone? Huge if true.
super_furry wrote: » Derek Hatton has been readmitted to the Labour party 34 years after being expelled.https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/derek-hatton-back-labour-party-15850789 Perfectly fitting on the day that's in it and a clear indication that Corbyn is only interesting in steering Labour in a Trotskyist direction.
Roger_007 wrote: » The problem with the Labour Party is that the party membership, who had the biggest say in leadership election, is way further to the left that the labour voters who elected the MPs. That is why Corbyn is out of sync with the majority of the Labour MPs. Apparently many Labour constituency organisations have, if anything, moved further left than at the last election. The likelihood is that many of the more moderate MPs will be deselected for the next election and replaced with 'Corbynisters'. This was the likely fate awaiting the 7 who left today. They just jumped before they were pushed. Many of the MPs who voted against Corbyn in the leadership election must know that their days as Labour MPs are numbered. What incentive have they to stay in the Party? Labour is in a bigger mess than the Tories, and that's saying something!
Havockk wrote: » What are you on about? Labour have been the political voice of the left for generations. How can it be shocking that lefties are accepted into left-wing parties? Getting to newspeak levels.
super_furry wrote: » There's a huge difference between left-wingers and Trotskyites.
Havockk wrote: » Is he not allowed to participate?
super_furry wrote: » Not for 34 years because he was expelled from Labour.....
Havockk wrote: » He's in now though, are you saying he shouldn't be allowed to?
super_furry wrote: » Yes, he's in now. Which - and stay with me here - shows the direction that Corbyn is leading the Labour party in.
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