listermint wrote: » Yes, I do. The UK will be back looking for membership within ten years. It's ridiculous to think they can exit in the manner they did straight into recession
Harry Palmr wrote: » The fact the Parliamentary Labour Party gave the gang of 7 a round of applause this evening should give the leadership some pause for thought - that said Tom Watson seems to get it. Meanwhile back in the 80s (with a 19 or 18 prefix)https://www.marxist.com/britain-bye-bye-blairites-now-show-the-rest-the-door.htm
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Perhaps, but a large majority of Labour voters want one anyway.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Lets see if they move allegiance to the new party. What is this new parties manifesto, anyway? "Corbyn is bad, m'kay"?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » 42% of voters said they would vote for a new centrist party.
Havockk wrote: » I agree, but that was a delicate path to travel when a quarter of your base wants something else, esp, when already in the minority.
Folkstonian wrote: » They aren’t a party.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » They seem to be united in their soft Brexit stance and their belief that Corbyn's leadership is poor. I'm sure they'll develop further policies.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » The current centrist party is virtually dead, I am not convinced a new one would do much better. I could be proved wrong if these 7 were to have by elections now though. They seem reluctant for some reason. How many would you say, would be re-elected in their current constituencies? I'd guess none.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I don't know. A lot would depend on majorities, pro/anti Brexit constituencies, etc.
Havockk wrote: » They need a miracle at this stage.
listermint wrote: » Yes, I do. The UK will be back looking for membership within ten years.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » 2 of the 7 are in leave constituencies and virtually all the others safe seats, or ones that splintering the vote allow someone other than them (or Labour) in.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Not what I asked though. I said did you see a new party "crushing" the existing parties.
listermint wrote: » That's not what you said. So I don't know why you are now quoting words you never used. Is this a serious response.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I think they may well end up in the Lib Dems if they don't rejoin. They're too small and in a FPTP system the two big beasts would destroy them at election time.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » I liked the Lib Dems, my dad was a Lib Dem his whole life until the coalition, stood for local government for decades for them, but they've had abysmal leadership and their soul is gone since they helped Cameron start his sh*t show. They talk about Corbyn mishandling things for his party, yet the most vociferous pro EU (and federalist) party makes no impact at all in polling, on the one subject it holds a supposed clear policy advantage on. I think the ego's of at least a couple of the 7 wouldn't allow them to join the lib dems.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » 72% of Labour voters back a second referendum.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Can any party afford to lose 28% of it's votes?
listermint wrote: » Can you give some recent polls on these leave constituencies. Links please
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Can it afford to ignore the wishes of a large majority of its voters? Cracks are appearing in both parties but it's beginning to look like party unity (such as it is) is a little bit stronger in the Tory party. Sadly.
Havockk wrote: » Unfortunately all today has succeeded in doing, other than of course open up a lively debate (which is as ever enjoyable) is to take the heat off May for another week or two wound off the clock. It's a regressive step for anyone who is pro-remain or hope for the best post-brexit.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » It's a break from the herd. I can see dozens more joining them if both parties maintain their current positions over the next seven weeks.
