Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » 2 of the 7 are in leave constituencies and virtually all the others safe seats, or ones that splintering the vote allow someone other than them (or Labour) in.
listermint wrote: » Yes, I do. The UK will be back looking for membership within ten years.
Havockk wrote: » They need a miracle at this stage.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I don't know. A lot would depend on majorities, pro/anti Brexit constituencies, etc.
Tom Mann Centuria wrote: » The current centrist party is virtually dead, I am not convinced a new one would do much better. I could be proved wrong if these 7 were to have by elections now though. They seem reluctant for some reason. How many would you say, would be re-elected in their current constituencies? I'd guess none.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » They seem to be united in their soft Brexit stance and their belief that Corbyn's leadership is poor. I'm sure they'll develop further policies.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Lets see if they move allegiance to the new party. What is this new parties manifesto, anyway? "Corbyn is bad, m'kay"?
Folkstonian wrote: » They aren’t a party.
Havockk wrote: » I agree, but that was a delicate path to travel when a quarter of your base wants something else, esp, when already in the minority.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » 42% of voters said they would vote for a new centrist party.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Perhaps, but a large majority of Labour voters want one anyway.
Harry Palmr wrote: » The fact the Parliamentary Labour Party gave the gang of 7 a round of applause this evening should give the leadership some pause for thought - that said Tom Watson seems to get it. Meanwhile back in the 80s (with a 19 or 18 prefix)https://www.marxist.com/britain-bye-bye-blairites-now-show-the-rest-the-door.htm
listermint wrote: » Yes, I do. The UK will be back looking for membership within ten years. It's ridiculous to think they can exit in the manner they did straight into recession
Havockk wrote: » There was only one way the '2nd vote' was going to work. And that was via a GE. If one referendum caused this feckton of trouble, how stupid is it have another one? GE was by far the best route.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » So you are saying a new remain party ( or rejoin the EU party) is going to arise from the ashes and defeat these old parties? Can't see it.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » 72% of Labour voters back a second referendum.
Hurrache wrote: » This is head in the sand stuff. Political commentators everywhere have been crying out that May has no opposiot32.
Havockk wrote: » What if they don't? And are emboldened even further? It's not without the realms of possibility that May was already burning the clock. She is burning down the clock to give parliament a binary choice. That's why I hope there will be a cross-party consensus when push comes to shove. Will we be back here talking about principles? We could be. The concept of 'principles' is fluid and subjective.
What if they don't? And are emboldened even further? It's not without the realms of possibility that May was already burning the clock.
Will we be back here talking about principles?
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Corbyn does fine on PMQ, but you have to watch that live. The media is not going to tell you he managed to win any number of points against the Vicar's daughter..
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I'm hoping that The Tories will crash and burn due to the ERG's constant undermining leading to an extension of Article 50. Then I'd hope that a cross-party consensus would be achieved around a very soft Brexit or a second referendum. If it also meant the death of the Tory party then that would be a bonus.
Havockk wrote: » Then what? Spell it out how Corbyn could have pleased everyone and prevented this particular split.
listermint wrote: » It won't. The UK will fall out no deal. And it will be Mays and corybns fault And their supporters will be hammered.
