Havockk wrote: » People also thought it was smart enough to vote leave in the first instance, so....???
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Corbyn's Labour and anti-Semitism is a bit like UKIP and racism. It keeps coming up too often to simply believe that it's a hit job by the media.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I don't see how. The parallels are there. If people have to dismiss every outlet in the land because they're criticising Jeremy Corbyn, it makes for a very poor argument to moderate voters why he should be Prime Minister.
Havockk wrote: » They wouldn;t be barred, but I think it would only be fair to go back to teh electorate and ask.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Moderate voters are at the moment picking labour at the same rate as the Tories. And ten times the liberals. (Which tells me this party is doomed). Saying the right wing press is against this “radical” is surely uncontroversial. The guardian has been blairite for years.
Folkstonian wrote: » At best, the man is ignorant of the issue or entirely incapable of dealing with it. At worst, he has no interest in driving it out of the labour movement.
Folkstonian wrote: » Also, to smear somebody generally means to damage their reputation through the spreading of false accusations. I won’t touch the IRA issue here, but on Russia - his response to the Skripal poisoning was all too real.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I'm not sure what your point is?
Leroy42 wrote: » But, in such is the political set up in the UK, even a person as well known as Chukka would find it incredibly difficult to win a seat in a safe Labour area. So effectively he is signing his resignation papers by even trying to disagree with the leadership. They will be judged by the electorate at the next GE, and they will hope they will have done enough in that time to persuade people they can should continue to vote for them. I really don't think you have thought this one through properly. It is a licence for parties to totally control their MP's.
super_furry wrote: » Corbyn is beyond useless. Imagine being up against the worst Tory party leader in living memory, in the midst of a massive political crisis created and worsened by the the Tories and then not being able to take advantage of that and put clear daylight between the two parties. Corbyn wants a hard brexit because he can then nationalise everything and ignore EU state aid rules and if he even did get into, he's drag Britain back to the 70s.
Havockk wrote: » It doesn't matter what the polling says about what people 'think' about Brexit strategy. We have to work with what we know. And what we know is that Corbyn believes a CU is the answer and these splitters believe it's a peoples vote. No later than last week did the EU get on stage and tell May that they liked Corbyns plan.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » What we know is that Corbyn's leadership is terrible. He is a terrible leader and he is destroying Labour as a result. He is simply way out of his depth.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » You can't drive out what doesn't exist. It's a manufactured crisis, used by his opponents to smear him because his actual policies have proven inconveniently popular with the public. I'm sure you agree that the spy story and the pro-IRA stuff were utter nonsense.
Havockk wrote: » Fine mate. Maybe this new party will attract everyone, maybe they will get their 'peoples vote'. Maybe it will be all right in the end. If not, enjoy your Tory hard sandwich.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Corbyn's Labour and anti-Semitism is a bit like UKIP and racism. It keeps coming up too often to simply believe that it's a hit job by the media. My primary issue with Labour is over Brexit, funnily enough but the anti-Semitism problem is still significiant in the eyes of many as Labour and the left are supposed to be the champions of the downtrodden. I don't know enough about Israel-Palestine to go extrapolating conclusions on that front but Corbyn has had years by now to fix this and as far as I can tell, he hasn't.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Ah now. I haven't mentioned this new party. I'm talking about Corbyn and the fact that his approval rating with the voting public is dire. That's just a fact. When you make Theresa May look good then you know you are damaging your own party.
Havockk wrote: » I would still stand over the argument that Corbyn would win a GE tomorrow. I cannot back what these 7 have done. The risk they have taken is unimaginable.
prawnsambo wrote: » Or it could be this from a few days ago. Although there's no audio on that link. Not sure if there is any.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Those seven politicians did what they thought was right. At least they stand for something unlike many backbench MPs who run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » Chuka Umunna claiming he opposes Corbyn's handling of the approach to Brexit since the referendum is bizarre seeing as he voted in favour of the brexit bill and campaigned during the GE last year on a platform of not holding a second referendum on the basis of respecting the democratic wishes of the people of Britain.
Gringo180 wrote: » Chuka is a 2 faced snake, a tory in disguise, plenty of them have infiltrated the Labour party.
Folkstonian wrote: » Sorry, I don’t quite agree - btw it was a Czechoslovakian intelligence officer he met not a Russian one - but I won’t go into it because it should be beneath any reasonable poster to debate a person who apparently believes that the antisemitism crisis in the labour party is ‘manufactured’
I really have no time for calls for a second referendum because I think it comes across as disrespectful to those who voted to leave. Those calls reinforce what I feel is a false stereotype — of a bunch of people in London who think they know best.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » rethoric of people who dislike Corbyn because he's a socialist: "his handling of brexit is abysmal".
BobbyBobberson wrote: » That is some start to your life as an independent.https://twitter.com/MikeSegalov/status/1097487967730483201
Hurrache wrote: » I'm stunned at the blind faith in defending a terrible politicians on this thread just because he's in Labour. I don't care if he's a socialist, what I do know is that his handling and capitalising on Brexit IS abymasal.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » Her apology for 'mis-speaking' is like something from The Thick of It.https://twitter.com/angelasmithmp/status/1097518807357288448
