prawnsambo wrote: » Or it could be this from a few days ago. Although there's no audio on that link. Not sure if there is any.
Havockk wrote: » I would still stand over the argument that Corbyn would win a GE tomorrow. I cannot back what these 7 have done. The risk they have taken is unimaginable.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Ah now. I haven't mentioned this new party. I'm talking about Corbyn and the fact that his approval rating with the voting public is dire. That's just a fact. When you make Theresa May look good then you know you are damaging your own party.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Corbyn's Labour and anti-Semitism is a bit like UKIP and racism. It keeps coming up too often to simply believe that it's a hit job by the media. My primary issue with Labour is over Brexit, funnily enough but the anti-Semitism problem is still significiant in the eyes of many as Labour and the left are supposed to be the champions of the downtrodden. I don't know enough about Israel-Palestine to go extrapolating conclusions on that front but Corbyn has had years by now to fix this and as far as I can tell, he hasn't.
Havockk wrote: » Fine mate. Maybe this new party will attract everyone, maybe they will get their 'peoples vote'. Maybe it will be all right in the end. If not, enjoy your Tory hard sandwich.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » You can't drive out what doesn't exist. It's a manufactured crisis, used by his opponents to smear him because his actual policies have proven inconveniently popular with the public. I'm sure you agree that the spy story and the pro-IRA stuff were utter nonsense.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » What we know is that Corbyn's leadership is terrible. He is a terrible leader and he is destroying Labour as a result. He is simply way out of his depth.
Havockk wrote: » It doesn't matter what the polling says about what people 'think' about Brexit strategy. We have to work with what we know. And what we know is that Corbyn believes a CU is the answer and these splitters believe it's a peoples vote. No later than last week did the EU get on stage and tell May that they liked Corbyns plan.
super_furry wrote: » Corbyn is beyond useless. Imagine being up against the worst Tory party leader in living memory, in the midst of a massive political crisis created and worsened by the the Tories and then not being able to take advantage of that and put clear daylight between the two parties. Corbyn wants a hard brexit because he can then nationalise everything and ignore EU state aid rules and if he even did get into, he's drag Britain back to the 70s.
Leroy42 wrote: » But, in such is the political set up in the UK, even a person as well known as Chukka would find it incredibly difficult to win a seat in a safe Labour area. So effectively he is signing his resignation papers by even trying to disagree with the leadership. They will be judged by the electorate at the next GE, and they will hope they will have done enough in that time to persuade people they can should continue to vote for them. I really don't think you have thought this one through properly. It is a licence for parties to totally control their MP's.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I'm not sure what your point is?
Folkstonian wrote: » At best, the man is ignorant of the issue or entirely incapable of dealing with it. At worst, he has no interest in driving it out of the labour movement.
Folkstonian wrote: » Also, to smear somebody generally means to damage their reputation through the spreading of false accusations. I won’t touch the IRA issue here, but on Russia - his response to the Skripal poisoning was all too real.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Moderate voters are at the moment picking labour at the same rate as the Tories. And ten times the liberals. (Which tells me this party is doomed). Saying the right wing press is against this “radical” is surely uncontroversial. The guardian has been blairite for years.
Havockk wrote: » They wouldn;t be barred, but I think it would only be fair to go back to teh electorate and ask.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I don't see how. The parallels are there. If people have to dismiss every outlet in the land because they're criticising Jeremy Corbyn, it makes for a very poor argument to moderate voters why he should be Prime Minister.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Corbyn's Labour and anti-Semitism is a bit like UKIP and racism. It keeps coming up too often to simply believe that it's a hit job by the media.
Havockk wrote: » People also thought it was smart enough to vote leave in the first instance, so....???
Leroy42 wrote: » So leaving the party should immediately mean you face losing your job? Think that one through a bit. Basically, even in safe seats, no sitting MP could even dare to go against the leaderships wishes as they just just kick them out of the party.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Well, let's look at how many people approve of how he is handling Brexit. That would be 16%. May's Brexit approval rating is 25%. So people think that Theresa May, who is a disaster, is doing a better job on Brexit than Corbyn. That's how it's Corbyn's fault.
BobbyBobberson wrote: » Did anyone watch the independents press conference live? Something that is doing my head in is people online falling for Luciana Berger's "slip up". She introduces hereself "And I am the labour MP"...........pause, realises mistake. It was completely scripted for god sake. Sorry had to get that off my chest. Anyway in other news I am geuinely baffled they do not have to go to by elections.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Ironically enough that’s well poisoning.
prawnsambo wrote: » I'm not so sure about that. THere are enough Tory remainers who might jump at the chance to get what they want.
Havockk wrote: » So how is that Corbyn's fault? Well lads, I suppose if things go massively wrong for these centerists they can always turn round in the aftermath and say things like... "but I had the courage to split when I did." or " It was all worth it to oust Corbyn and his mildly lefty ideas." Sound politicking right there. Good to see a new strategy, lifted from the toys out of pram principle.
oscarBravo wrote: » A principled stand against a party whose values they no longer recognise as compatible with their own?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Ironically enough, that's the sort of rhetoric UKIP supporters come out with.
MrMusician18 wrote: » You only look for a referendum when you think you'll win. There is no majority on the HoC for a second referendum. It's far too close to call at the moment even if they could get one. My gut says remain lose again though. Second referendum and they lose, what then? The same problems exist. Do labour just wash their hands of the country?
