Leroy42 wrote: » The polls are saying that Labour would lose seats in the next election. That is not holding. But, since they lost the last election, holding was never the plan. They needed significant gains. And they are being helped by a completely split governing power. So by any measure, Corbyn is doing a terrible job. Their only hope, and it is not based on anything but hope, is that Corbyn can repeat the same trick he did in 2017 (which, I repeat, he failed to win, he simply did less bad than expected!). but clearly Corbyn gained for a more balanced media in the GE 2017 campaign, when people got to see and hear Corbyn. But one then needs to take the view that people have already forgotten the real Corbyn again and will only remember when a new GE campaign starts. That, IMO, is very unlikely.
Leroy42 wrote: » And that was always Corbyn's plan. Delay, delay and delay until the point was reached when people could claim that they would love to support a 2nd ref but its simply too late.
Havockk wrote: » And back to teh main issue, how is the leaving of these 7 members going to help anything?
Folkstonian wrote: » Who do you think they are meant to be helping? They cannot help the Labour Party. It’s gone. It’s done. It’s in the hands of extremists and they wont be letting go. They’ve been trying to help by speaking out about certain issues for over three years and have achieved nothing but to make themselves targets of some pretty disgraceful abuse. They’ve left the Labour Party because it no longer reflects their values, their morals or their politics. They can now speak and vote freely on important issues and not be condemned by association with what’s going on in British Labour.
listermint wrote: » [/B] He is not remain at all, Lets cut to the chase. There are people that will make excuses for the man constantly regardless of the evidence. Everyday brexit gets closer and he says nothing of note demonstrates his feelings on the EU. He is terrible.
Havockk wrote: » The 1st Ref broke everything. For anyone to think a 2nd Ref would fix anything is conning themselves.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Indeed. That is the issue, he's a leaver or a tepid remainer at best. Posters here need to be honest that that is their issue with him. The anti semitism nonsense is just an emotive ploy to get rid of him because the centre fundamentally disagrees with him on policy. The problem is they don't know what they are for and if they could figure that out, there's not enough of them.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Should it be stopped? They did vote to leave after all. Why not give the majority what they want?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » What kind of Leave did they vote for?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Corbyn's Labour and anti-Semitism is a bit like UKIP and racism. It keeps coming up too often to simply believe that it's a hit job by the media.
My primary issue with Labour is over Brexit, funnily enough but the anti-Semitism problem is still significiant in the eyes of many as Labour and the left are supposed to be the champions of the downtrodden. I don't know enough about Israel-Palestine to go extrapolating conclusions on that front but Corbyn has had years by now to fix this and as far as I can tell, he hasn't.
Havockk wrote: » The Tories are doing all the negotiating, inhouse.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Corbyn's Labour and anti-Semitism is a bit like UKIP and racism. It keeps coming up too often to simply believe that it's a hit job by the media. My primary issue with Labour is over Brexit, funnily enough but the anti-Semitism problem is still significiant in the eyes of many as Labour and the left are supposed to be the champions of the downtrodden. I don't know enough about Israel-Palestine to go extrapolating conclusions on that front but Corbyn has had years by now to fix this and as far as I can tell, he hasn't.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » And the 52% voted for the Tories to sort it out based on Tory party politics. Or maybe...I don't know...reasons.
MrMusician18 wrote: » What media does it keep appearing in? Right wing press who hate him and the centre left guardian.
BobbyBobberson wrote: » Did anyone watch the independents press conference live? Something that is doing my head in is people online falling for Luciana Berger's "slip up". She introduces hereself "And I am the labour MP"...........pause, realises mistake. It was completely scripted for god sake. Sorry had to get that off my chest. Anyway in other news I am geuinely baffled they do not have to go to by elections.
Leroy42 wrote: » So leaving the party should immediately mean you face losing your job? Think that one through a bit. Basically, even in safe seats, no sitting MP could even dare to go against the leaderships wishes as they just just kick them out of the party.
MrMusician18 wrote: » You only look for a referendum when you think you'll win. There is no majority on the HoC for a second referendum. It's far too close to call at the moment even if they could get one. My gut says remain lose again though. Second referendum and they lose, what then? The same problems exist. Do labour just wash their hands of the country?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Ironically enough, that's the sort of rhetoric UKIP supporters come out with.
oscarBravo wrote: » A principled stand against a party whose values they no longer recognise as compatible with their own?
Havockk wrote: » So how is that Corbyn's fault? Well lads, I suppose if things go massively wrong for these centerists they can always turn round in the aftermath and say things like... "but I had the courage to split when I did." or " It was all worth it to oust Corbyn and his mildly lefty ideas." Sound politicking right there. Good to see a new strategy, lifted from the toys out of pram principle.
prawnsambo wrote: » I'm not so sure about that. THere are enough Tory remainers who might jump at the chance to get what they want.
Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: » Ironically enough that’s well poisoning.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Well, let's look at how many people approve of how he is handling Brexit. That would be 16%. May's Brexit approval rating is 25%. So people think that Theresa May, who is a disaster, is doing a better job on Brexit than Corbyn. That's how it's Corbyn's fault.
