theguzman wrote: » Goods news to see Labour decline and degrade further. It also strengtens Teresa May's hand and increases even more the almost foregone conclusion of a Hard no-deal brexit.
Leroy42 wrote: » LibDems are busted because, as a junior partner in a coalition government they clearly got taken advantage of.
devnull wrote: » Jeremy Corbyn's poor leadership has now resulted in the break-up of his party. Luciana Berger Gavin Shuker Chuka Umunna Ann Coffey Mike Gapes Angela Smith Chris Leslie Have all tendered their resignations and have formed their own Independent group due to Antisemitism and Brexit by the looks of things, very sad day for British politics in a way but you can hardly blame them.
MrMusician18 wrote: » The labour anti semitism was a load of nonsense it was part of a strategy by the labour blairites to lever under Corbyn to get him out.
dfx- wrote: » It's the same as here where the junior partner is always the one booted out and FF or FG remain dominant. But we are used to coalition government here. UK party politics can't handle the 50:50 split since 2010..the biggest majority has been 12? It couldn't process the alternative vote system. It is struggling with the fixed parliament act where now resignations have no consequence and votes of no confidence and rejections of budgets and losses on key government legislation don't matter. Brexit is another narrow divide but isn't split along party political lines and yet that is constantly how it is reported and debated and indeed being run/negotiated by May.
prawnsambo wrote: » Surprised that Chuka Umunna isn't in that number. Or Joan Ryan for that matter. Will there be more resignations I wonder.
Our aim is to pursue policies that are evidence-based, not led by ideology, taking a long-term perspective to the challenges of the 21st century in the national interest, rather than locked in the old politics of the 20th century in the party’s interests. As an Independent Group we aim to recognise the value of healthy debate, show tolerance towards different opinions and seek to reach across outdated divides and build consensus to tackle Britain’s problems.
Labour now pursues policies that would weaken our national security; accepts the narratives of states hostile to our country; has failed to take a lead in addressing the challenge of Brexit and to provide a strong and coherent alternative to the Conservatives’ approach; is passive in circumstances of international humanitarian distress; is hostile to businesses large and small; and threatens to destabilise the British economy in pursuit of ideological objectives.
bilston wrote: » So the net result of today's news is that the UK will have a hard left Labour party with a Tory govt for the forseeable. I hope these ex Labour MPs succeed as I suspect they would probably be pretty close to my politics in n many issues, but they will all almost certainly be voted out at the next election and their political careers will be finished. What impact will it have in the Lib Dems as well?
I am disappointed that these MPs have felt unable to continue to work together for the Labour policies that inspired millions at the last election and saw us increase our vote by the largest share since 1945. Labour won people over on a programme for the many not the few – redistributing wealth and power, taking vital resources into public ownership, investing in every region and nation, and tackling climate change. The Conservative government is bungling Brexit, while Labour has set out a unifying and credible alternative plan. When millions are facing the misery of Universal Credit, rising crime, homelessness and poverty, now more than ever is the time to bring people together to build a better future for us all.
LuckyLloyd wrote: » Chuka and the boys resigning the labour whip is a really minor sidetrack of a quite seminal process.
Enzokk wrote: » You know what I try to follow, when someone from a minority tells me there is a problem with racism/antisemitism/Islamophobia, because I am not from the minority then I cannot judge whether that is happening or not. This is because I have never been the victim of discrimination like they have so it is very difficult for me to dismiss their views. This discrimination will not be as blatant as Corbyn shouting abuse at Jewish members, but it will be noticeable to those that suffer it. So when Luciana Berger says the following,https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1097439273744252928 It is imperative to take it seriously, especially as the accusations keeps happening. This is not a sleight on Labour alone. The Islamophobia displayed by the Tories are probably worse and needs to be confronted as well.
Akrasia wrote: » A bunch of Labour MPs have resigned the whip, based on opposition to anti semitism. I think the number is 7They don't seem to care about brexit.
prawnsambo wrote: » The breakaway MPs are referrring to themselves as 'The Independent Group'. They have a website up now. On Brexit, firmly sitting on the fence:
Akrasia wrote: » The timing of this is absolutely insane. We get it that there might be an anti semitic element in Labour, even including Corbyn himself, but we're a month away from the most important event in UK politics in 2 generations and to break away from the main opposition party and not even take a strong stance on what they want to happen regarding Brexit is gobsmacking
Umunna says they whole-heartedly support the People’s Vote campaign. He says it’s “been like getting blood from a stone getting the Labour party to do the right thing by our constituents on this issue”.
Mezcita wrote: » Response from Young Labour:https://twitter.com/YoungLabourUK/status/1097439224310231042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1097439224310231042&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2019%2Ffeb%2F18%2Fseveral-labour-mps-set-to-quit-the-party-politics-live Bizarre times.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » That sort of image could be incredibly damaging for the party. Rhetoric like "cowards" and "traitors" does not belong in a respectable party of government.
Enzokk wrote: » So when Luciana Berger says the following,https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1097439273744252928 It is imperative to take it seriously, especially as the accusations keeps happening. This is not a sleight on Labour alone. The Islamophobia displayed by the Tories are probably worse and needs to be confronted as well.
Bambi wrote: » Personal opinion: It's just blaggarding, it's the only thing they have left that sticks to Corbyn.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Youth wings have a tendency to go off script and be a bit more extreme than the main party. Has happened here with FG too iirc.
Hurrache wrote: » Are you saying it's not a real issue and they're just using it as an excuse because they can't use any other of his inadequate attributes as party leader? Do you not think the fact that it has been raised now but nothing seems to have been done about it a big problem?
