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[Diabetes] General Chat and Support Thread

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Hey guys - I've created a single "chat" thread for all the diabetics for any topics of conversation that don't fit in the existing threads.

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silverharp

sometimes radical can be good and can excite the person. the main problem with the ND is that as its essentially a very low calorie low fat diet its going to drag down the body's basal metabolic rate, in some way then its going to have to be a diet for life with the disadvantage that if your average calorie maintenance might have been x, now your future rate is going to be x -200 calories so it will be easier to put on weight in the future. Another issue is satiety , if I was a betting man I'd bet against any diet where you are constantly hungry.

CramCycle

I've done similar diets, although not as extreme, if you have low will power, my impression is you'll struggle. It is a catch 22 for some obese people is that the obesity itself affects hormone levels which can mean the response to such a shock in the diet is too much to take in regards will power. I am not obese but it took over a week before the addict cravings ceased and for me they come back very quickly if I slip. This said I am from a family of addicts on one side so I maybe more predisposed.

banie01

Morby wrote: »

Just in relation to the Newcastle Diet, I presume this is the 3 VLVD shakes a day diet, similar to th Cambridge diet etc?

Where are you getting this administered?

My friend is a T2 Diabetic and morbidly obese and isn't managing his blood sugar levels at all. Most recent HbA1c was 90.

He hasn't been able to stick to any diets or lose weight. I'm thinking he would need something drastic like this as he's over 60 now and not getting any younger.

Whereabouts would he get this from? His GP? Is it expensive or would a medial card cove any portion of costs? He has the LTI book.

I'm being supported by my GP and Diabetes in undertaking the Newcastle Diet.
Now when I say supported, I mean my GP weighed me and gave me a check up before starting. My Diabetes team are at the end of the phone to discuss BG, insulin and any issues with.
Other than that it's a solo trek.
That said, I'm paying for the MRP shakes out of pocket.

If your friend hasn't been able to stick to diets or an eating plan, this diet isn't the one for him.
It requires a lot of self control and discipline.
Noone can force him to do it, nor enforce him following it.

Morby

Just in relation to the Newcastle Diet, I presume this is the 3 VLVD shakes a day diet, similar to th Cambridge diet etc?

Where are you getting this administered?

My friend is a T2 Diabetic and morbidly obese and isn't managing his blood sugar levels at all. Most recent HbA1c was 90.

He hasn't been able to stick to any diets or lose weight. I'm thinking he would need something drastic like this as he's over 60 now and not getting any younger.

Whereabouts would he get this from? His GP? Is it expensive or would a medial card cove any portion of costs? He has the LTI book.

Royal Legend

It is a wall, but when you get past it, it becomes easier

I am not on Newcastle at the moment, but as I said if i think i need it to push on with my weight loss, then i will use it because i know it works for me.

I have lost a couple of stone since November, by cutting out rubbish, biscuits, cake and watching what i eat and when in general. for snacks now, i eat oranges and cashews, more green veg with dinner

My motivation is losing weight, just walked 10k this morning, also to reduce NAFLD (Non Alcoholic Fatty Liver disease) when tested in November i was in the danger zone, when i was checked again a couple of weeks ago my scarring was back below the red and this was solely due to losing weight. Consultant said to keep doing what i was doing and come back in a year.

So my goals are simpler now, lose weight, get fitter, get healthier, hopefully one of the additional benefits will be to get my blood readings down.

P.S I was up around 19/20 stone last year, back below 17 at present, want to get around 13 which is normal for my height, not trying to rush it, just to keep doing what i am doing and gradually lose it over the year.

banie01

I'm @5days in to the Newcastle diet and as Royal Legend has said a little bit of a wall is here.
Saturday is the usual "treat" day round here and my stomach is starting to miss solid food.
My motivation for continuing with it has only been heightened by taking a look at the improvement in BG average in just 4 days!

1st pic is BG average from the 6/2/19 to the 12/2/19.
2nd pic is BG average from the 12/2/19 to the 16/2/19

Now while the improvement in BG is always good, what I'm happier about however is the fact that my Lantus basal does so far from @32units to 20units and likely to drop even further.

silverharp

ive been doing intermittent fasting this week , tested by blood sugar last night and got a 4.2 which is the lowest reading ever. i wont shade the newcastle diet but i guess its something you need to transition out of for the long term, some kind of fasting is a great long term tool

Royal Legend

banie01 wrote: »

Yep, my GP and the local Diabetes team.

I did it about 4 years ago, without help. lost about 4 stone, with the intention of reversing my type 2. after about 3 months blood sugar was between 4-6, with meds, went off the meds and the sugars went up, slowly lost interest and put on the weight again.

Since November, have just cut out rubbish from my diet, plus plenty of walking and have lost over 2 stone so far. If I hit a bottle neck I will go back on the newcastle diet. My goal is to get the weight down to normal, already have reversed NAFLD down to half what it was in November.

P.S. You will hit a wall early on with the Newcastle diet, feel cold and hungry, but it wears off in a few days. stick at it and set realistic goals that will make you feel that you have achieved. sounds like you are on the right road.

banie01

Royal Legend wrote: »

Are you getting help on this from a GP?

Yep, my GP and the local Diabetes team.

Royal Legend

banie01 wrote: »

I've decided to make a serious effort with the Newcastle Diet/MRP type diet.
I'm only 4 days in and coming from what I thought was good control.
My AVG HbA1c over the last 2 years is @6.5, but!
Already the difference in my blood sugar is noticeable!
I've already had to drop 8 units on my Lantus dosing.
Will keep a good eye on how it goes.
My aim is to get off Lantus for the foreseeable if I can and push out the clock on the incipient retinopathy.

Are you getting help on this from a GP?

silverharp

vargoo wrote: »

No, they said 5 because it was somewhat doable, they knew their was no chance of people hitting the real number without a little ice breaking first.

"they" aren't really worth listening to anyway, the same "they" that brought you margarine , dodgy "vegetable" oils ie steam pressed alternative diesel from gmo seeds :pac: and "low fat"

vargoo

CramCycle wrote: »

True, and what a portion is also misleading as you can't say 1 sort of fruit is the same as one of another fruit or veg. I pay no heed ot it in general, just eat a balanced diet my point was that the 5 a day was a marketing campaign which had no basis in studies, just simply that they thought it would be easier to market.

No, they said 5 because it was somewhat doable, they knew their was no chance of people hitting the real number without a little ice breaking first.

CramCycle

silverharp wrote: »

I wouldn’t want to feel pressured to hit a particular number, the main benefit as a nutritional guideline is that if people are eating more veg they are likely to be eating less garbage. To hit 10 portions I’d need to be juicing vast quantities of spinach n’ stuff. Plenty of cultures wouldn’t have or have had access to lots of year round vegetable type foods and are or were in good health however if more broccoli means less pizza then sure

True, and what a portion is also misleading as you can't say 1 sort of fruit is the same as one of another fruit or veg. I pay no heed ot it in general, just eat a balanced diet my point was that the 5 a day was a marketing campaign which had no basis in studies, just simply that they thought it would be easier to market.

silverharp

CramCycle wrote: »

Well the 5 a day thing is rubbish, and only a marketing campaign, realistically should be closer to 10 a day, but also more weighted towards veg than fruit.

I wouldn’t want to feel pressured to hit a particular number, the main benefit as a nutritional guideline is that if people are eating more veg they are likely to be eating less garbage. To hit 10 portions I’d need to be juicing vast quantities of spinach n’ stuff. Plenty of cultures wouldn’t have or have had access to lots of year round vegetable type foods and are or were in good health however if more broccoli means less pizza then sure

CramCycle

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder why it is isnt more well known that bananas are so sugary. I would have sometimes in the past eaten a banana even when I wasnt particularly hungry just to get another one of my 5 a day, but it likely did more harm than good

Pretty well known in sporting circles as its one of the fruits of choice for cyclists in races.

silverharp wrote: »

fruit is overrated relative to veg, the "5 a day " makes them sound interchangeable , I don't go out of the way to even bother have fruit in my diet, frozen berries are my treat and I go through phases of having drinks made with fresh limes and lemons.

Well the 5 a day thing is rubbish, and only a marketing campaign, realistically should be closer to 10 a day, but also more weighted towards veg than fruit.

silverharp

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder why it is isnt more well known that bananas are so sugary. I would have sometimes in the past eaten a banana even when I wasnt particularly hungry just to get another one of my 5 a day, but it likely did more harm than good

fruit is overrated relative to veg, the "5 a day " makes them sound interchangeable , I don't go out of the way to even bother have fruit in my diet, frozen berries are my treat and I go through phases of having drinks made with fresh limes and lemons.

silverharp

Same here, a good guy will even respond to questions, ive seen that chart before it’s a good visual. I never really got into the nitty gritty of counting carbs or sugar but I had had a look on the Tesco website to get the basic nutritional info and apples and grapes “seemed” similar enough in sugar terms per 100g though I checked against Pink Lady, whereas his chart has grapes having twice the sugar of apples.

wakka12

I wonder why it is isnt more well known that bananas are so sugary. I would have sometimes in the past eaten a banana even when I wasnt particularly hungry just to get another one of my 5 a day, but it likely did more harm than good

MrMacPhisto

Some good info here

I follow Dr. Unwin on twitter, he posts lots of good information.

silverharp

Out of curiosity I was checking a couple of foods I would normally restrict, the other day I had 2 or 3 apples and measured 30 min after and got a reading of 6 mmol/l thought that was reasonable. Last night I ate 2 punnets of grapes and 30 min I got a measure of 16 mmol/l yikes! after 2 hours it had dropped to 6 , obviously the quantities weren’t the same. Some time I will try to measure out how many apples would give the same quantity of sugar and try again but it seems like it wouldn’t hit that level.

banie01

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Fair play - it takes some dedication.

My wife is gone on this diet with a personal trainer, and has roped me into it.

I had to drop 8 units off my tresiba because i kept having hypos. And now, I can have a small amount of carbs, and not need novorapid for it. Up until yesterday, i hadn't taken (or needed) novorapid. I'm down about 9 pounds, 4 weeks in

My GP is very curious to see how it goes for me and truth be told, I need something to focus on at the moment. Something I can actually influence at the very least.

I'm adding a little psyllium husk to the MRP shakes and I've yet to encounter any real hunger pangs or similar.
2 shakes and some green veg and carrots is my plan at the moment.
It is a hard slog, but even from the difference I've noticed to date it could be a huge moneysaver for the HSE if it was properly supported.

The potential reduction in meds, and other interventions and supports needed due to nueropathy, retinopathy, heart disease, stroke and so on that are often a co-morbidity of diabetes are surely worth at least a review by the powers that decide the HSE strategy.

silverharp

https://twitter.com/lowcarbGP/status/1095066972159655936

gerrybbadd

banie01 wrote: »

I've decided to make a serious effort with the Newcastle Diet/MRP type diet.
I'm only 4 days in and coming from what I thought was good control.
My AVG HbA1c over the last 2 years is @6.5, but!
Already the difference in my blood sugar is noticeable!
I've already had to drop 8 units on my Lantus dosing.
Will keep a good eye on how it goes.
My aim is to get off Lantus for the foreseeable if I can and push out the clock on the incipient retinopathy.

Fair play - it takes some dedication.

My wife is gone on this diet with a personal trainer, and has roped me into it.

I had to drop 8 units off my tresiba because i kept having hypos. And now, I can have a small amount of carbs, and not need novorapid for it. Up until yesterday, i hadn't taken (or needed) novorapid. I'm down about 9 pounds, 4 weeks in

banie01

I've decided to make a serious effort with the Newcastle Diet/MRP type diet.
I'm only 4 days in and coming from what I thought was good control.
My AVG HbA1c over the last 2 years is @6.5, but!
Already the difference in my blood sugar is noticeable!
I've already had to drop 8 units on my Lantus dosing.
Will keep a good eye on how it goes.
My aim is to get off Lantus for the foreseeable if I can and push out the clock on the incipient retinopathy.

ebbsy

banie01 wrote: »

Great news Ebbsy!
Well done on keeping control!
Delighted for you and it gives people like me who are on the threshold of retinopathy taking hold a lot of hope!

I celebrated with a lettuce leaf.

kylith

Hi folks. I don’t have diabetes myself, though it rubs in my family. Consequently I had gestational diabetes. I have a tub of test strips for an AccuCheck machine left. They didn’t fit the machine I had and have been opened but are free for the taking if they’d be any good to anyone. They’re not cheap so I’d hate them to go to waste

Pm me if you’d want them.

banie01

Great news Ebbsy!
Well done on keeping control!
Delighted for you and it gives people like me who are on the threshold of retinopathy taking hold a lot of hope!

ebbsy

Back at the Eye and Ear for my checkup today. It is the first time in 7 years that I have had 3 consecutive "stable" outcomes , i.e. I did not need laser etc.

This has to be a combination of their treatment / Noctura 400 glasses / Coming off insulin / Blood Pressure and Cholesterol tablets.

Hopefully one day they will find a cure for this particular eye problem.

banie01

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019/feb/scientists-make-breakthrough-by-turning-stem-cells-into-insulin-producing-cells-94739587.html

Stem cells have been transformed into insulin producing cells.
This may lead to insulin independence for T1 sufferers.
Amazing potential.

gerrybbadd

Spoke with the Diabetes team in Sligo there and they told me I was given some bad info from the pharmacy.

They do prescribe the sensors for those over 21, but only in cases of people that had strokes or retinal damage through diabetes, where they find it hard or impossible to test the regular way.

Oh well!