Bass Reeves wrote: » Yes it will happen on heavier covers and on lighter covers where there in no N. I have no issue as a beef man on heavier covers as this rises the dry matter and lowers the P in the grass. Dairying needs the P in the grass to keep solids in the milk. Those burnt tip on the grass are often above 70%DM and will raise the DM in the grass to the very high 20's and even low 30's. Cattle digest best at 40%DM excess water needs to be got rid of and takes energy just like wet turf and timber in a fire. As a finisher too much P will only grow not flesh cattle. Nearly all research in Ireland is dairy based and Teagasc and other transfer it without looking further at it to transfer to beef. Them burnt tip are the enemy of the dairy man who is feeding 3+kgs of nuts and silage as he needs the P for solids and the ration will counteract the lower DM. This is why cattle growth is so poor in the autumn due to low DM in grass and the dairy man feeds higher rates og nuts to counteract same. The most important thing about spring grass is you have enough of it. As a beef man I would not rush out cleaning off low covers it takes grass to grow grass. Like i said earlier in a normal year I be out now but I am away for a few weeks in April and need to make sure I have enough grass.
Buford T. Justice V wrote: » And grass growing well for the tightest period of the year at the start of the second rotation.
TooOldBoots wrote: » Sold 100 bales of 1st cut silage last year, best of feeding, €35/bale. The young upstart rang yesterday reneging on the deal, gave me a load of guff about how silage wasn't making anything near what we agreed and that and that there's loads of grass everywhere now. I didn't bother arguing just told him grand job. I thought it was bad form, a deal is a deal and to me a handshake is a mans contract. I had to ring another customer I sold bales to last year and tell him what happened, wasn't on the phone 2 minutes when he told me he'd take the bales no question, said his cows were pumping milk last spring on the silage I sold him. We might get an early spring but thats no reason to burn lads, its not as if I am making a fortune out of the bales
Reggie. wrote: » You'll have some craic next spring if he rings you looking for them bales
So sorry to hear you got done old boots
Mooooo wrote: » The stuff you graze now will be back in for april
Keepgrowing wrote: » It’s the second round tests your mettle
Timmaay wrote: » Bass you told me a week ago your beef margins are too tight to justify having any sort of silage reserve, yet right at the second you have a totally open goal to get in an extra rotation, reduce your silage, labour input, straw use etc and your not taking it for the fear that you won't believe able to graze in April. What if April is wet? Your stock will be going into big covers with very poor utilisation. I know its harder for a part time farmer to operate any sort of on off systems like dairy farmers get away with, but at the minute ground conditions are good enough in alot of places to let animals out full time without any problems
TooOldBoots wrote: Sold 100 bales of 1st cut silage last year, best of feeding, €35/bale. The young upstart rang yesterday reneging on the deal, gave me a load of guff about how silage wasn't making anything near what we agreed and that and that there's loads of grass everywhere now. I didn't bother arguing just told him grand job. I thought it was bad form, a deal is a deal and to me a handshake is a mans contract. I had to ring another customer I sold bales to last year and tell him what happened, wasn't on the phone 2 minutes when he told me he'd take the bales no question, said his cows were pumping milk last spring on the silage I sold him. We might get an early spring but thats no reason to burn lads, its not as if I am making a fortune out of the bales
lab man wrote: » Same has happened here the next bad year they can go whistle
older by the day wrote: » That's a lesson for any young farmer. Be self reliant. I am always helping neighbours and relatives, but I do because, thank God I have the ability and health to do it. But don't be dependant on anyone 99.9% percent of people are good, you will recognise the w**kers after a while
liosnagceann75 wrote: » Asked a neighbour for silage bales a few years ago and was turned down. Fast forward to New Years Day some time later when he stopped me on the road looking for assistance. 2 bullocks had fallen into a slatted tank and i used my loader to lift them out. He said if I ever needed anything to give him a shout. Asked him last Spring for silage and was turned down again. Needless to say i wont be lifting anymore animals out of tanks for him. I also had agreed to buy 51 silage bales lately be because i believed i was going to be short. When the time came for the contractor to draw them i had plenty of my own silage left and didn't need them. I kept my word and took them. Im new enough to farming and there are some **** out there who have no word
Never wrestle with pigs wrote: » Whatever you do, don't even sell him a small square bale of hay again. People like that need a lesson every now and again. Hopefully he'll be short again.
Pidae.m wrote: » older by the day wrote: » That's a lesson for any young farmer. Be self reliant. I am always helping neighbours and relatives, but I do because, thank God I have the ability and health to do it. But don't be dependant on anyone 99.9% percent of people are good, you will recognise the w**kers after a while No man's an island...... except Aran :}
TooOldBoots wrote: » Fair play to you for keeping to your deal. Its hard enough to get the balance of fodder right without going down the road of messing with lads No not a chance he'll get any. What was really annoying was he said he'd bring them by Christmas then not a word till now. I only decided to sell him some bales as he's not long at it plus I didn't want to be selling to just one man. As it turns out 1 good buyer is better than a dozen time wasters
wrangler wrote: » I advertised a cattle trailer during the year on DONE DEAL, priced at €4000, I got a lot of phone calls the first night, but one in particular was a neighbour that did his best to bully me to drop the price telling me even that I shouldn't be selling a trailer without brakes but he'd 'take it off my hands' anyway I told him that I wasn't dropping the price the first evening. Next morning at 8am I got a phone call from a tipperary guy saying is that my dog looking out of her pen near the gate, I'd told what junction I lived near and he guessed this was my house, he bought the trailer and gave me a cheque, My neighbour phoned half an hour later to say he was coming to look at it........ telling him it was gone was very sweet
wrangler wrote: If I sell something it's not sold till I get money, I tell every enquiry from done deal that nothing is held until the cheque is cleared. As you see here it's madness doing it any other way
Never wrestle with pigs wrote: Whatever you do, don't even sell him a small square bale of hay again. People like that need a lesson every now and again. Hopefully he'll be short again.
lab man wrote: » How can u ask for money when bales are on the row in a field in july fella says I'll take 50 , 100 .. 70 I ask for money when bales are opened when loaded any bale with mould will not be loaded in winter. cause I've been that road, ah there was a few bits of mould on some baled which of 50 might be 2 bales total , selling bales here since late 70s my fathers time had guys come back in year 13 that were refused bales cause over not paying the total 10 yrs before the pen never lies
Welding Rod wrote: » Say that again.....
Bass Reeves wrote: Its the same as any other business. If he wants them he buys them. Mould is always an issue with bales but only pre calving unless it s very serious. If a lad is buy as they are baled he takes them away there and then. If he expects you to store he takes the risk. Buyer has two choices buying out of the field he loads up and looks after or they are stored on your farm at his risk. He marks the bales and you stack them separate
Bass Reeves wrote: » Mould is always an issue with bales but only pre calving
lab man wrote: » Totally agreed, but back here in Clare tis 80% sucklers so money is fair scarce may to August
