Tommy Robinson jailed

Muckka wrote: »

With respect, Muslims are not a race.

They're a religion with different sects, I admire the Sufi Muslims and the Shia and Allawites aren't too bad.

But the Sunni wahabbism and salafist are dangerous I don't like their idealism.

Depends on how you define race, but I see your point. It is splitting hairs a bit, though - he specificly said "all Muslims".

But bigoted, prejudiced, whatever. It demonstrates his sheer hatred based purely on a generalisation of an incident of birth.

TomSweeney

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Correction number one - You don't have to hate all other races in order to be racist. You can be racist against specific races.

Correction number two - he has issues with muslims full stop - not just extremists. He famously blamed ALL muslims for the 7/7 bombings.

Not Muslims - the ideology of Islam.
Big difference.

TomSweeney wrote: »

Not Muslims - the ideology of Islam.
Big difference.

No Muslims. He said Muslims.

In any case I'm pretty sure there's very little knowledge of what the ideology of Islam there anyway beyond the more archaic elements of Sharia Law which most people seem to confuse it with.

professore wrote: »

I don't see how this implies violence against Muslims. It implies protesting in the strongest possible fashion to the leaders of those communities. If he said "we will exact revenge on those communities" then fair enough. I have heard worse in the recent abortion debates here from both sides.

Problem is the people in the UK who are supposed to keep law and order have a hands off approach to Islamic extremists. So it's no surprise groups like this form. Also why he very quickly left the BNP as a teenager when he realised they only admitted white English people.

I'm not saying he potentially ISN'T a racist ... just that the evidence isn't there, and he's not trying to run for election or anything. He's had huge personal cost from this.

No, you said he wasn't a racist beacuse he doesn't hare all racists. You've been proven wrong.

And I never said he invited violence, so you can take that up with whoever did say it.

weisses

Muckka wrote: »

Maybe you're right,

No, not maybe

He is right

Odhinn

TomSweeney wrote: »

Not Muslims - the ideology of Islam.
Big difference.

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Every single Muslim watching this... on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens... you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end... and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.

TomSweeney

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No Muslims. He said Muslims.

In any case I'm pretty sure there's very little knowledge of what the ideology of Islam there anyway beyond the more archaic elements of Sharia Law which most people seem to confuse it with.

Actually he's quite knowledgeable on the subject of Islam.

I did check out the video tho, yeah he shouldn't have said those things,

still doesn't negate his main concerns on Islam tho.

weisses

TomSweeney wrote: »

Actually he's quite knowledgeable on the subject of Islam.

I did check out the video tho, yeah he shouldn't have said those things,

still doesn't negate his main concerns on Islam tho.

Poor old Adolf had his concerns with Jewish people

How did that turn out ?

he had a lot of apologists around him as well

Muckka

weisses wrote: »

No, not maybe

He is right

Tommy's not always right, I think he's mixed up at times.

I used to hate seagulls thought they were pests until I caught one by mistake while reeling in a surface lure.
Brought him home nursed him or her back to health, he got attached to me and I him.
He loved sardines, I left him off two weeks later in Lahinch and he didn't want to fly off for a while.
Did a bit of a dance and away he flee.
Now I take back my hatred of seagulls.

I'm not comparing people with seagulls, but metaphorically speaking there's good people out there no matter where they come from or believe in.

You never know Tommy may embrace the religion of peace, but I won't be dressing up as a seagull

Hector Savage

weisses wrote: »

Poor old Adolf had his concerns with Jewish people

How did that turn out ?

he had a lot of apologists around him as well

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

I have a lot of respect for him.

you have to respect the grift alright.

Muckka

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Depends on how you define race, but I see your point. It is splitting hairs a bit, though - he specificly said "all Muslims".

But bigoted, prejudiced, whatever. It demonstrates his sheer hatred based purely on a generalisation of an incident of birth.

I can identify with where you are coming from, but I think he gets on well with some Muslims.

You'll see his old video clips of him spouting off about all Muslims, but I think he's starting to learn about different Islamic belief's.

The suffi Muslims are very peaceful in general, I read a lot of Rumis poetry and spiritual teachings and it's quite peaceful and enlightening.
A lot of good stories, you should read up on Sufism if you want to learn more about mystical Islam

markodaly

FTA69 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=393733637839882&id=166732810539967

Have a look at this video and tell me he’s not racist.

“She’s so ugly a Syrian refugee wouldn’t rape her”

“The people from Somalia are backward savages”

The guy is a f*cking cretin.

In fairness, lots of short 2-3 second clips, edited together in short soundbites* to create a narrative, is exactly the reason why the internet is mostly poison.

Don't do something that you would be willing to criticise the other guys for.

*Done by Momentum of all people

TomSweeney wrote: »

Actually he's quite knowledgeable on the subject of Islam.

I did check out the video tho, yeah he shouldn't have said those things,

still doesn't negate his main concerns on Islam tho.

This is the problem with the stunts he pulls: I have no idea what his REAL concerns a really are. Where does the hatemongering stop and the intelligent concerns begin?

When he says all Muslims are responsible for 7/7 and seems ignorant to the problems he causes with pedophile mistrials in aid of publicity he really is his own worst enemy.

FTA69

markodaly wrote: »

In fairness, lots of short 2-3 second clips, edited together in short soundbites* to create a narrative, is exactly the reason why the internet is mostly poison.

Don't do something that you would be willing to criticise the other guys for.

*Done by Momentum of all people

The clips speak for themselves mate. “The people of Somalia are backward savages.” “A Syrian refugee wouldn’t rape her”.

Yeah good luck putting the context on that mate. ‘Legitimate criticism of Islamic ideology’ my arse, that’s straight out of the National Front that sort of commentary

Odhinn

GinAndBitter wrote: »

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Could you summarise the point those videos make?

Odhinn wrote: »

Could you summarise the point those videos make?

No, you can watch them if you are interested. If you are not then don't.

Odhinn

GinAndBitter wrote: »

No, you can watch them if you are interested. If you are not then don't.

Why can't you summarise them?

So is the real Tommy Robinson.. Stephen Yaxley lennon?.

ohnonotgmail

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

So is the real Tommy Robinson is Stephen Yaxley lennon?.

Yaxley Lennon is his real name and the name he was convicted under several times.

Forgot to log out of your account? Haha

Edit : looks like you mis quoted. Apologises

Grayson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Yaxley Lennon is his real name and the name he was convicted under several times.

But not the name he used when he flew to the Us illegally. He borrowed a friends passport for that.

And this thread has started getting weird.

Odhinn wrote: »

Why can't you summarise them?

Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

Grayson

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

It's not laziness. It takes time, you could at least give an indication of why someone should watch it. It's only polite.

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

Lazy? You just dropped three hours of propaganda on us.

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Odhinn wrote: »

Why can't you summarise them?

Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

You expect people to watch almost three hours of YouTube videos.

Have you watched them. Why can't you summarize the content?.

For instance does it mention him frauding oaps?

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Odhinn wrote: »

Why can't you summarise them?

Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

You expect people to watch almost three hours of YouTube videos.

Have you watched them. Why can't you summarize the content?.

For instance does it mention him frauding oaps?

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You expect people to watch almost three hours of YouTube videos.

Have you watched them. Why can't you summarize the content?.

For instance does it mention him frauding oaps?

I don't expect anyone to do anything at all, as I have said the videos are there for anybody that's interested in watching them. Are you particularly interested in Tommy Robinson?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I don't expect anyone to do anything at all, as I have said the videos are there for anybody that's interested in watching them. Are you particularly interested in Tommy Robinson?

You haven't watched them, have you?