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DART+ (DART Expansion)

murphaph

New propoganda here but it really whets the appetite.....who knows if we'll have the nerve to do it though....

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Pete_Cavan

highdef wrote: »

With Kilcock now being a suburban rather than intercity stop, would it make sense to extend the electrification to there, even in a Bray to Greystones single track type way?

Extending beyond Kilcock and creating a new M4 Parkway Station off junction 8 would be great. A P&R would open up the new DART service to a greater population, not just the towns with a difficult to access and limited parking station in their centre. It would have to be served by a double track, single track is just too much of a constraint.

highdef

With Kilcock now being a suburban rather than intercity stop, would it make sense to extend the electrification to there, even in a Bray to Greystones single track type way? Kilcock is now a rapidly expanding town and there is a massive amount of home building going on at the moment with a lot more to come plus a large amount of commercial/business park areas are to be built in the near future. In the near future, I can foresee there being a high demand for a frequent rail service and it would make sense to prepare for that now rather than the usual case of wait until things hit creaking point or beyond and then take action and cause unnecessary amount of disruption by having a second round of works.

Kevtherev1

marno21 wrote: »

Irish Rail have tendered for consultants for the Maynooth line DART upgrade and for "city centre enhancements".

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase.asp?PID=145211

Does this mean the priority now is to electrify the maynooth line first. I thought it was announced a while back that they would first electrify the northern line to Balbriggan as their where less low bridges and crosses to replace. Its good news if they are now doing the maynooth and M3 parkway lines first.

Ireland trains

Would quad tracking heuston to park west allow for intercity journey times ro be reduced.

dublinman1990

Lovely stuff. It will be great in seeing these projects happen if they get approved.

L1011

roadmaster wrote: »

I wonder for the depot would they buy land out beside the m3 parkway

Already been claimed as between Maynooth and Leixlip

roadmaster

Dats me wrote: »

In the document attached it gives a bit more detail on the city-centre stuff:

· Infrastructural enhancement works at Connolly Station to support the DART Expansion
· Redevelopment or relocation of the Docklands Station (scope currently under study)
· Development / re-alignment and associated works for the Junctions on the line at Newcomen, North Strand, and North Wall
· Removal of the six level crossings along the Maynooth line and provision of necessary bridge relief infrastructure
· Addition of a new maintenance depot connected to the Maynooth Line

Maintenace depot is for "up to" 240 EMU units so it says

I wonder for the depot would they buy land out beside the m3 parkway

CatInABox

Dats me wrote: »

In the document attached it gives a bit more detail on the city-centre stuff:

· Infrastructural enhancement works at Connolly Station to support the DART Expansion
· Redevelopment or relocation of the Docklands Station (scope currently under study)
· Development / re-alignment and associated works for the Junctions on the line at Newcomen, North Strand, and North Wall
· Removal of the six level crossings along the Maynooth line and provision of necessary bridge relief infrastructure
· Addition of a new maintenance depot connected to the Maynooth Line

Maintenace depot is for "up to" 240 EMU units so it says

All looks good, can't wait. The mention of North Strand got me wondering if they could fit in a Dart station there, where the line crosses the Ballybough road. It would do wonders for the area, I think.

cgcsb

Dats me wrote: »

In the document attached it gives a bit more detail on the city-centre stuff:

· Infrastructural enhancement works at Connolly Station to support the DART Expansion
· Redevelopment or relocation of the Docklands Station (scope currently under study)
· Development / re-alignment and associated works for the Junctions on the line at Newcomen, North Strand, and North Wall
· Removal of the six level crossings along the Maynooth line and provision of necessary bridge relief infrastructure
· Addition of a new maintenance depot connected to the Maynooth Line

Maintenace depot is for "up to" 240 EMU units so it says

Exciting stuff

Dats me

marno21 wrote: »

Irish Rail have tendered for consultants for the Maynooth line DART upgrade and for "city centre enhancements".

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase.asp?PID=145211

In the document attached it gives a bit more detail on the city-centre stuff:

· Infrastructural enhancement works at Connolly Station to support the DART Expansion
· Redevelopment or relocation of the Docklands Station (scope currently under study)
· Development / re-alignment and associated works for the Junctions on the line at Newcomen, North Strand, and North Wall
· Removal of the six level crossings along the Maynooth line and provision of necessary bridge relief infrastructure
· Addition of a new maintenance depot connected to the Maynooth Line

Maintenace depot is for "up to" 240 EMU units so it says

marno21

Irish Rail have tendered for consultants for the Maynooth line DART upgrade and for "city centre enhancements".

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase.asp?PID=145211

marno21

As per NTA at Oireachtas Committee today, tender for fleet for the DART Expansion plan to go out in the next month.

roadmaster

When the M3 line is upgraded to Dart will they run the train from dunboyne in to the city during the day allowing an increase in frequency of services along the mainline from clonsilla in to the city instead of only running dunboyne to clonsilla during the day.

murphaph

LXFlyer wrote: »

They’re looking for 41 additional new build intermediate ICR cars, and these Class 185 sets are on top of that and are suitable for middle/longer distance work out of Connolly.

They have plenty of years left in them - I really don’t see the issue here.

They’re potentially available quickly (as in next year) and this would solve a lot of the chronic overcrowding problems by freeing up 29000 sets.

I have no issue with used stock in general. My commute to work is often on push pull stock cascaded from lost contracts elsewhere in Germany.

I was just wondering if they were trying to buy coaching stock after selling the MkIIIs, but it seems they are not and it's only DMUs.

LXFlyer

murphaph wrote: »

They're not seriously looking for second hand intercity coaching stock I hope?

They’re looking for 41 additional new build intermediate ICR cars, and these Class 185 sets are on top of that and are suitable for middle/longer distance work out of Connolly.

They have plenty of years left in them - I really don’t see the issue here.

They’re potentially available quickly (as in next year) and this would solve a lot of the chronic overcrowding problems by freeing up 29000 sets.

L1011

murphaph wrote: »

They're not seriously looking for second hand intercity coaching stock I hope?

The units that are possible are used for mid-distance routes. Dundalk/Newry; Rosslare etc runs that are done using 29000s would be more suited to them.

murphaph

They're not seriously looking for second hand intercity coaching stock I hope?

LXFlyer

Sam Russell wrote: »

Irish Rail looking for secondhand trains.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tender-out-for-up-to-80-pre-owned-trains-to-meet-urgent-demand-1.3813067

This is old news and has been discussed already.

They are looking at the 3-car Class 185s that are coming off lease from TransPennine Express early in 2020.

These are not for DART but are diesels for middle/long distance that would free up 29000s for suburban duties.

Sam Russell

Irish Rail looking for secondhand trains.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tender-out-for-up-to-80-pre-owned-trains-to-meet-urgent-demand-1.3813067

Tender out for up to 80 ‘pre-owned’ trains to meet urgent demand
Irish Rail also seeking to buy 41 inter-city carriages as passenger numbers soar

The National Transport Authority (NTA) has issued a tender for pre-owned trains to meet urgent commuter demand, particularly in the greater Dublin area.

The authority is seeking between 60 and 80 vehicles which must be ready to go into service by February 2020.

The projected cost of the second-hand trains is not being revealed because a tendering process is involved.

Of course, the Irish gauge is 1.6m rather than the standard gauge 4ft 8.5 inches. That is a difference of 6.5 inches or 16.5 cm. The trains will need new bogies, unless they come from Australia or Brazil (or NI).

marno21

lawred2 wrote: »

Estimated cost of 3Bn for the metro. Hard to see that being remotely close

The figure quoted for spend is upto 2024. Metro is not to finish til 2027. It's not the complete spend for the Metrolink project (the total of which is yet to be determined).

lawred2

CatInABox wrote: »

It's more general, here's a nice summary of every rail based thing that the NTA are doing, courtesy of the Railway Gazette.

Estimated cost of 3Bn for the metro. Hard to see that being remotely close

CatInABox

It's more general, here's a nice summary of every rail based thing that the NTA are doing, courtesy of the Railway Gazette.

Ireland trains

The thing thag gets me about the ten minute dart ia that evwn though there is 5 min less wait, the trains take nearly 10 min longer than before from before so your overall wait+journey time is 5min longer than before.
And from greystones it now takes 1 hour to trave 30km.
It also slowed down northern line commuters

lawred2

Sam Russell wrote: »

10 minute Darts.

Well that's resulted in a reduced service for me from Portmarnock so I'm not that overwhelmed..

I'm sure it's an improvement from Howth Junction however

gooddarts10

Sam Russell wrote: »

10 minute Darts.

Which was pardon the pun railroaded in without adding rolling stock or completing the cc resignaling which in turn has caused nothing but overcrowded 6 carriage Darts and congestion in Connolly

Sam Russell

lawred2 wrote: »

Thread is now ten years old. Has anything been delivered for the dart in that?

10 minute Darts.

gooddarts10

lawred2 wrote: »

Thread is now ten years old. Has anything been delivered for the dart in that?

Nearly completed the City centre resignaling project!

lawred2

Thread is now ten years old. Has anything been delivered for the dart in that?

Sam Russell

gooddarts10 wrote: »

While all this sounds great I fear the only DART expansion we are likely to see in the next 15/20 years will be electrification of the line to Maynooth and Drogheda.
4 tracking and Dart underground are all pie in the sky

I think Dart Underground may manifest itself as Metrolink II or III.

gooddarts10

While all this sounds great I fear the only DART expansion we are likely to see in the next 15/20 years will be electrification of the line to Maynooth and Drogheda.
4 tracking and Dart underground are all pie in the sky