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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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leahyl

Are they resurfacing all the lower road and Horgan’s Quay soon? The state of that stretch of road is absolutely shocking - what is going on? There seems to be activity happening after 6pm each evening but nothing is different the next morning! What exactly are they doing there?

Roger Hassenforder

Another view of it

Roger Hassenforder

marno21 wrote: »

This is quite a nice proposal but I can see it getting roundhouse objections for a variety of reasons.

How long until this will be going to Cork City Council planning department instead? Would surely have a better chance of getting approval if it's going to them instead. There isn't really precedent for this kind of development in the county planning area.

June 01 is transfer day i think.
Its a bit weird sticking out of the trees in Glanmire, be nice in a city centre location, i quite like the design.
After city gave the planning for the yoke at Mahon though, i reckon anything goes now.
County might take the developmemt contribution and run...

marno21

Did someone say roads? Latest update.

N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: Tender for this project has been awarded to Sisk. Preliminary works are ongoing on site with full construction scheduled to begin in Q1 2019. The scheme is expected to take 3/4 years to complete due to the complex traffic management involved. Sisk however have begun a pre-planning consultation with An Bord Pleanala related to this scheme, so this may interfere with the current proposal for the project. No details on this amendment have been published yet.

M20 Cork-Limerick & M40 North Ring Road East: Consultants have now been appointed to carry this project through Phases 1-4 of TII's Project Management Guidelines (feasibility/project scope, route selection, design & EIS, statutory process) The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform announced in Sept that this scheme is expected to start in 2021 and open in 2025, however this appears extremely ambitious. Based on current projects going through the process, it is envisaged that the M20 will open in approx. 11-13 years (2030-2032). It is currently anticipated that a link from the M20 at Killeens to the M8 at Glanmire (the North Ring Road East), will be advanced in tandem with this project.

N22 Macroom-Ballyvourney: The prequal stage of this is now complete with invitations to tender being sent out in July 2018. At present, a tender award is expected (but not confirmed) in mid 2019 with a start soon after. Completion is expected to take 3 years.

N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton: This project is included in the National Development Plan having been suspended in 2011. The project has passed the pre-appraisal stage and consultants will be appointed to carry the project through Phases 1-4 of TII's PMG in 2019. The limited options and small nature of this scheme means it may go to construction within 3-4 years.

M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This project was approved in full by An Bord Pleanala in July 2018, and Cork County Council intend to begin land purchase and issue tenders for advance works in late 2018. However, a local militant anti-motorway group in Rochestown intend to seek a judicial review on the project, which in their belief will lead to the destruction of their community and widespread health issues due to noise and air pollution, although their solution is to route the motorway through Ballinhassig instead which would add around €400m to the cost of the project and add upto 25km of a round trip for vehicles. Judicial review was awarded in September 2018, set a nominal return date to court of 4th October 2018, but this is unlikely to be the start of the hearing as the plantiff & defendant will need time to prepare their cases. Most likely early next year before the hearing commences but we'll see what fast tracked means in the high court.

M40 Motorway Reclassification and ITS Upgrade: TII & Cork County Council are currently engaged with consultants on this which would see motorway regulations being applied to the N40 and ITS equipment ("smart motorway" equipment) including display VMSs being installed on the length of the M40 and approach roads such as the N27 and N71. The study is ongoing with phased implementation expected on an as of yet unknown timescale. Enabling works including communication ducting were carried out in Q4 2018, and contractors will be appointed to carry out the main works (including installation of gantries on the N40) in Q1 2019.

R624 Cobh Road dualling: Cork County Council are applying to DTTAS to have this road upgraded to a national road and a portion of dual carriageway built along its length which will involve the construction of a 2nd dual carraigeway bridge onto Great Island. The project will be initially appraised under DTTAS new appraisal guidelines, with no timescale yet for delivery.

The remainder of the schemes in the greater Cork area (N22 Macroom-Ovens, N25 Midleton-Youghal, N27 Cork Airport dualling, N40 Cork North Ring Road West, N71 dualling) are all suspended. As part of the National Development Plan process, over 45 schemes were audited for potential inclusion in the NDP. Of these 45 projects, only the N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton was included in the plan (apart from projects already in planning: Dunkettle, Macroom/Ballyvourney, Mallow, M20 & M28). However, the N22 Macroom-Ovens, N22 Cork North Ring West and N27 Cork Airport dualling were 3 of the 7 schemes which only barely missed out on inclusion, so will be top of the list for consideration in the coming years. The N25 Midleton-Youghal was omitted as it was flagged as having sufficient capacity until at least 2030.

The publication of CMATS will help here as there is currently no underlying policy document to support required road upgrades in Cork.

marno21

This is quite a nice proposal but I can see it getting roundhouse objections for a variety of reasons.

How long until this will be going to Cork City Council planning department instead? Would surely have a better chance of getting approval if it's going to them instead. There isn't really precedent for this kind of development in the county planning area.

WoolyJumper

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I don't hate it....just seems very random for a 14 story building to be build in Glanmire, let alone in that spot.

Speaking of Glanmire, any idea when these road upgrades are suppose to start? I've noticed they started the ground works for Ballinglanna. If that building gets the go ahead plus the Ballinglanna development there is going to a lot of extra traffic around Glanmire. It's already mad as it is.

Markcheese

Looks a bit, uhm, ah, odd...

Roger Hassenforder

who_me wrote: »

Same here, link isn't working. Wouldn't mind having a look, if there are mock-ups / design docs.

who_me

Deleted User wrote: »

Doubt that there is the demand to pedestrianise that street. It takes a lot of pressure off of Bridge Street.

McCurtain St. is going to be two-way in the future though, so it'll be interesting to see how things change.

who_me

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Yeah, I don't mind this. All that's been lost is 2 parking spaces, really. I presume there will be traffic lights going there as well? Are they pedestrianizing Harley Street or will you still be able to drive up there to McCurtain street, I wonder?

Above all, I sincerely hope they resurface that entire area. It's been rippped to shreds due to all this construction.

It doesn't look that way, they've extended the footpaths on either side of the Harley St. turn off but there's still an opening for traffic to turn and drive up it.

Markcheese

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was there any further update on the Dunkettle/Tunnel-Approach works? Last thing splashed out was that they were having soil problems.

I promise that I had nothing to do with soil compaction tests for the Cork tunnel works, I only tested the soil for the Dublin Port tunnel (in a, thankfully, past life)

Serious cost overruns anyone?
There'll be a few wrangles over, costs and who was testing what..

j8wk2feszrnpao

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there any further update on the Dunkettle/Tunnel-Approach works?

This is what I've been following, https://www.dunkettle.ie/newsletters

[Deleted User]

Was there any further update on the Dunkettle/Tunnel-Approach works? Last thing splashed out was that they were having soil problems.

I promise that I had nothing to do with soil compaction tests for the Cork tunnel works, I only tested the soil for the Dublin Port tunnel (in a, thankfully, past life)

CHealy

Very exciting times ahead for the South Terrace area.

rounders

Full article on Careys Tools Development

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/property/developers-swoop-for-albert-quay-site-of-carey-tools-and-sextant-bar-902768.html

[Deleted User]

chalkitdown1 wrote: »

Yeah, I don't mind this. All that's been lost is 2 parking spaces, really. I presume there will be traffic lights going there as well? Are they pedestrianizing Harley Street or will you still be able to drive up there to McCurtain street, I wonder?

Above all, I sincerely hope they resurface that entire area. It's been rippped to shreds due to all this construction.

Doubt that there is the demand to pedestrianise that street. It takes a lot of pressure off of Bridge Street.

chalkitdown1

who_me wrote: »

Just noticed the footpath being laid on St. Patrick's Quay, by the new Harley St. bridge. On the North side, they're more than twice as wide as before. It makes sense.. if there's a lot of foot/cycle traffic coming across the bridge this will help make a natural crossing point to Harley St. / McCurtain St.

It does reduce the number of lanes from 3(ish) to 2; though the 'lane' being blocked was only used for parking so no real loss.

Yeah, I don't mind this. All that's been lost is 2 parking spaces, really. I presume there will be traffic lights going there as well? Are they pedestrianizing Harley Street or will you still be able to drive up there to McCurtain street, I wonder?

Above all, I sincerely hope they resurface that entire area. It's been rippped to shreds due to all this construction.

marno21

Fantastic.

Confirmation above also that the Carey Tools/Sextant site has indeed been bought up by JCD.

Apogee

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/02/06/de-thursday-papers-301/

https://www.lisney.com/commercial-properties/office-property-in-trinity-quarter-south-terrace-cork/17166

Rhys Essien

Holy moly. Tomorrow’s Examiner front page.

Trinity Quarter going ahead.

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1093280912488439813?s=21

who_me

Just noticed the footpath being laid on St. Patrick's Quay, by the new Harley St. bridge. On the North side, they're more than twice as wide as before. It makes sense.. if there's a lot of foot/cycle traffic coming across the bridge this will help make a natural crossing point to Harley St. / McCurtain St.

It does reduce the number of lanes from 3(ish) to 2; though the 'lane' being blocked was only used for parking so no real loss.

I'd actually love to see if it would be possible instead to design/build low-profile pedestrian overpasses in locations like this, so the vehicular and pedestrian traffic wouldn't interfere with each other... but I don't have much faith in anything low-profile, attractive, effective, or affordable being built.

who_me

okedoke wrote: »

Is it just the sextant or is the tool hire behind included? Sextant site is fairly small

The rumour is both. I think it's pretty much all of the block West of the Navigation Square development, but nothing is confirmed yet.

who_me

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

19/4059
Go into the council planning link and look for it

Thanks for that. Looks better than expected, I like that they haven't gone for a big cuboid block but instead have a mix of heights. They've tried to do something different with the roof on the tallest part, and have rooftop gardens throughout. It'll be very dependent on the quality of materials and finish I reckon.

(If it's approved. Could see a lot of objections to it.. it does stand out quite a bit!

Each time I flicked through the images.. "Can't see it, is in in the background? [Next Page] WOOOOOAAAH, there it is!!!")

okedoke

Is it just the sextant or is the tool hire behind included? Sextant site is fairly small

Rhys Essien

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

13 storey apartment block + bits for Riverstown Glanmire

http://maps.corkcoco.ie/planningenquirylitev3/Default.aspx?FullFileNumber=18a-194059&FromList=true

That’s mad but I suppose it will be within the city boundary in the next 6 months.

Regarding the Sextant bar, apparently it’s JCD who bought it so probably another big glass box.

Roger Hassenforder

who_me wrote: »

Same here, link isn't working. Wouldn't mind having a look, if there are mock-ups / design docs.

19/4059
Go into the council planning link and look for it

who_me

Same here, link isn't working. Wouldn't mind having a look, if there are mock-ups / design docs.

Roger Hassenforder

WoolyJumper wrote: »

Where in Riverstown is this located? I'm guessing on the site of the old Barleycorn hotel. 13 stories seems pretty tall for Glanmire...... Sorry I can't access the link for some reason

Looks like the site beside the old pallet factory, accross from the John Barleycorn.
Nursing home supposed to go in there further in narrow site.
Be grand view of GAA match

WoolyJumper

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

13 storey apartment block + bits for Riverstown Glanmire

http://maps.corkcoco.ie/planningenquirylitev3/Default.aspx?FullFileNumber=18a-194059&FromList=true

Where in Riverstown is this located? I'm guessing on the site of the old Barleycorn hotel. 13 stories seems pretty tall for Glanmire...... Sorry I can't access the link for some reason

Roger Hassenforder

13 storey apartment block + bits for Riverstown Glanmire

http://maps.corkcoco.ie/planningenquirylitev3/Default.aspx?FullFileNumber=18a-194059&FromList=true