AndrewJRenko wrote: » The fact that public service sick leave only pays for six months, three of those at half salary, shows your story to be a tissue of lies.
noodler wrote: » There's an element of this that simply comes from construction inflation, given where we were at inception vs today. But Christ, my fear is simply that suppliers take public sector contracts for a ride.
PhilOssophy wrote: » Firstly, it is important to say that I do not mean this as an attack on the public sector, the majority of which do a fine job in in some cases very tough environments. But hearing Simon Harris say today that the PWC report into the childrens hospital should find nobody personally accountable for the failures on the project to date. This follows hot on the heels of a scandal which cost people their lives in the cervical cancer scandal - public servants knew that women were terminally ill and didn't compel doctors to tell these women. 1 person retired, and swanned off with a big pension. This follows many previous scandals involving Gardai, Tusla, and many more state agencies who have been embroiled in various scandals over the years. This all got me thinking, what does somebody in the public sector have to do to be held accountable for incompetence, mis-management, etc. Are the lines of accountability simply too blurred for any 1 individual to be held accountable? I have a friend who is a QS who said if they under-estimated something of the scale of the childrens hospital, they would be clearing their desk the minute the error was noticed. Why isn't this happening? I appreciate mistakes happen. We all make them. But this isn't a simple error on a calculator. This is a reckless careless indifferent attitude to how tax payers money is spent. It is such a poor lack of oversight that surely at some point in this country somebody has to shout enough is enough. If we are ever to stop messes like this happening over and over again, at some point, surely people need to start paying for their mistakes with their job. If nobody is held accountable for these sort of mistakes, then surely all that is going to happen next time is another 450k (is the cost of that even certain) into the pockets of PWC and another report to just gather dust beside the other reports gathering dust?
Flyingsnowball wrote: » You in the union? There is a loophole. Go sick at 7 ish months pregnant. Go on maternity leave. That runs you until baby is about 9 months old. Then sign on sick or something and you get a percentage of your wage for about another year. Then sign on carers allowance or sick or welfare aNd use up your stamps. Then turn up at your job like nothin happened and tell the agency person hired to replace you to get the road you are now back and ready to work. Human Resources advise this I’m 100 per cent telling the truth. That’s why the public service is full of agency staff. It’s because they hold so many jobs open.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » I think a lot of the time the fella awarding the contract tells his mate to name his price and they split the money.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » There is no loophole. If you use two months sick leave before the pregnancy, you have one month left at full pay, and three months left at half pay. What's carer's allowance got to do with sick leave? What HR Dept in what agency is 'advising this'?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Except when the other fella comes in with a lower, normal price - and the two other people involved in the tender evaluation ensure that the most economically advantageous tender gets the contract, as required by law.
depcon wrote: » Over 300000 people in the public service not including contractors which at a guess could be half again . Given the way outsourcing your job has taken over this country it's not hard to see why accountability and performance suffer in a backward, top heavy organization.
noodler wrote: » As in a civil servant pocketing millions? Don't buy that for a second. This isn't corruption.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » No there’s no way a civil servant could pocket a few quid. I don’t buy that either. It’s never happened before.
noodler wrote: » Are you taking the piss? Do you know of an example where a civil or public servant took a bribe? Nevermind on a scale of the project discussed?
Flyingsnowball wrote: » I’ll get you the prime time box set.
noodler wrote: » 150,000 contractors? You are mental.
noodler wrote: » I'm serious, maybe I'm missing something but a civil or public servant? Are you sure you don't mean a politician?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Flyingsnowball wrote: » I think a lot of the time the fella awarding the contract tells his mate to name his price and they split the money. Except when the other fella comes in with a lower, normal price - and the two other people involved in the tender evaluation ensure that the most economically advantageous tender gets the contract, as required by law.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » Who is the fella in charge of awarding contracts. Why does he pay twice the price for most things from nappies to buildings than a private company or shopper would pay? Why can I head to tesco and get a packet of pampers for way less than the hospital goes and buys them in bulk. That’s where the smoking gun has been waiting for years
Blaze Dead Firecracker wrote: » I've worked in 2 big departments. I've never seen any contractors doing an employee's job.
PhilOssophy wrote: » ... If nobody is held accountable for these sort of mistakes, then surely all that is going to happen next time is another 450k (is the cost of that even certain) into the pockets of PWC and another report to just gather dust beside the other reports gathering dust?
evolving_doors wrote: » These are civil servants you need to be railing against. Very, very different bunch to public servants.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » Yeah like they can’t share the lower bid.
Flyingsnowball wrote: » 5 months sick leave? Then maternity, then stamps? You think this is normal?
suicide_circus wrote: » we are a nation of cowboys/chancers this can be seen in every facet of life from the way large public infrastructure projects are handled to our whiplash culture. The public sector is totally devoid of accountability and society at large is totally devoid of personal responsibility. we are an essentially dishonerable people
dxhound2005 wrote: » You may be like that but not everyone is. Please do not include me.
suicide_circus wrote: » I know it's not nice to hear but I stand by my assessment. we lack honour and discipline.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Are there no exceptions? Is everyone in your family like that?
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