ancapailldorcha wrote: » This thread is nearing the 10,000 post mark. Thanks to everyone involved. There is a new thread open here. This thread will be locked shortly. Please feel free to start posting in the new thread and by all means quote posts from this one if preferable.
Imreoir2 wrote: » The EU won't have to make any threats or turn against us, if the British fail to uphold the GFA then we will erect a hard border ourselves. The single market is our market, we have to protect it. The UK will also have to put up a hard border if they don't want to be flooded with cheep goods from all over.
tuxy wrote: » The GFA says that both the UK and Ireland must work together to align policies on both sides of the border. I don't see how the UK can implement a hard brexit without breaking this agreement.
Crock Rock wrote: » Any truth to this?
Scoondal wrote: » Mrs May says UK will leave EU on 29 March. So, in a "no deal" exit, this will break the Good Friday agreement. Can Ireland go to a UN court or something to force UK to abide by the agreement ? I suppose any country can break international peace agreements. Adolf Hitler broke many such agreements.
First Up wrote: » The Single Market will not be compromised. Neither will the Common External Tariff, the Common Agricultural Policy or the common food and technical standards. Nor will a member state be disadvantaged in its membership by reason of geography or the actions of departing member. To fail to understand this is to fail to understand what the EU is, where it has come from and where it is going. The EU will do what needs to be done.
The UK's Department for International Trade has said the EU-Japan trade deal would increase UK GDP by up to £3bn "in the longer term".[/QUOTE ] More details - Hard Brexit means the UK looses 40 deals with 70 countries. The world's biggest such deal, it covers nearly a third of global GDP and 635 million people. It comes as a trade war rages between the US and China, who have slapped tariffs on each others' products. ... European service exports to Japan are currently worth €28bn a year ... CPTPP and its EU deal mean 2019 has already seen Japan enter a free trade sphere of a billion people.
The world's biggest such deal, it covers nearly a third of global GDP and 635 million people. It comes as a trade war rages between the US and China, who have slapped tariffs on each others' products. ... European service exports to Japan are currently worth €28bn a year ... CPTPP and its EU deal mean 2019 has already seen Japan enter a free trade sphere of a billion people.
J Mysterio wrote: » Paddy Power are running with some pretty provocative Brexit themed ads ahead of the Ireland England rugby game tomorrow.https:/www.joe.ie/amp/sport/paddy-power-brexit-england-billboards-657007
Infini wrote: » The thing is those saying they'll delay Brexit think the EU will just extend it no problem. The problem is that if the EU says no what then? They just crash out blaming the EU for their stupity? They know full well what those on the EU side want is for the UK to make up its damn mind and decide. If they just keep arguing by themselves the only way this goes anywhere is to force them to decide or crash by default/cancel for good.
Leroy42 wrote: » Whether a deal or not I can't see how in 6 weeks the UK will be ready to leave on 29th. So TM is going to be forced to request an extension. So is going to offer something to get it. It seems since the vote this week that the UK think they have all the cards but nothing really has changed, except two more weeks will have passed by the time they vote again.
Scoondal wrote: » I don't know what the Good Friday agreement says but I know it was built on the assumption of Northern Ireland being part of EU.
touts wrote: » I think there is a very real possibility that both the EU and UK dig their heels in and come April 1st the EU say to Ireland put up a hard border or we will shut you out of the common market until you do. European solidarity will suddenly twist against us it the UK are gone and we then find ourselves the ones out of step with the rest of the EU. The problem is we basically can't seal off the border. It's too big and our customs/Gardai/army are too few. There is barely 2 months left and it would take closer to 2 years than 2 months to put the people and infrastructure in place. But the EU won't care because they will be aware that they don't want to set a precedent for its other borders in the east. It'll be put up the border or we hit you with sanctions and tariffs for not complying with EU regulations. Then for a period Irish companies could find tariffs on their goods going into both the UK and EU. We'll basically be caught in a crossfire between the EU and UK. Eventually one of them will give in and a deal will be struck BUT that could take several weeks or months and by that time many small to medium Irish businesses will be bankrupt. The UK don't give a damn about us and the EU will be focused on maintaining the big picture and we're the small picture. Basically we're going to get screwed and no one will care because we're not big enough to matter.
10000maniacs wrote: » I wouldn't jump in immediately with a border poll. It's way too early. Leave it about 5 years. Wait for the EU subsidies to become a distant memory and the realities to really kick in. Only then will there be a chance of it being passed.
FrancieBrady wrote: » cml387 wrote: » Here's a possibility, it was mooted by an expert on EU affairs on Today this morning, and it comes from the EU's method of dealing with intractable problems. After March 29th, the EU implements on the WA on a provisional basis. From that point on, the EU and Britain start negotiations on the Future Arrangements. that gives two years to agee the shape of that agreement. By that time, it's hoped that with calm heads a solution can be found. The UK will be a 3rd country and in quite a weaker position though, surely. The backdrop of anger and resentment in the UK will be quite something to behold I would imagine. They will have to accede to a border poll too as it will be clear that the numbers will be there.
cml387 wrote: » Here's a possibility, it was mooted by an expert on EU affairs on Today this morning, and it comes from the EU's method of dealing with intractable problems. After March 29th, the EU implements on the WA on a provisional basis. From that point on, the EU and Britain start negotiations on the Future Arrangements. that gives two years to agee the shape of that agreement. By that time, it's hoped that with calm heads a solution can be found.
fash wrote: » She believes only in staying in power and holding the Tories together. That’s all she will stand up for.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » This from the headline article in today's Telegraph. An informative insight into the mindset of Brexiteers."Britain’s best chance of getting revenge on Brussels for its Brexit bullying is to remain in the European Union. For the EU’s most fanatical and full-throated theologians, few outcomes could be more horrific than an intransigent, hostile Britain trapped in a project that it plots to undermine from the inside." Lovely.
Strazdas wrote: » There are a large number of pages on Northern Ireland and its unique position between GB and the ROI and how trade and citizens' rights etc will be affected but the backstop itself barely gets a mention.
MrMusician18 wrote: » The backstop is not a tiny clause. It's a huge part of the document
