blanch152 wrote: » Not only that, but we will be in a post-Brexit scenario where our economy will be hurt and the Northern Ireland one devastated through loss of access to the UK market.
lawred2 wrote: That's what the majority approved GFA states.
Imreoir2 wrote: » Unification could never happen when we were poorer because NI would never vote to make themselves poorer, unification can't happen now that they are poorer because we could never manage the burden, unification would never happen if we were largely the same because NI would never want to risk their economey for no potential gain, in other words unification can never happen. Now that Ireland is substantially better off than NI, there has never been a better time for unification. The republic is in a position to manage the cost of unification and implement the reforms necessary in NI to bring their economey in line with the rest of the island. It would not be without disruption but, for the island as a whole, it would be much preferable to continuing with two seperate economic models, one of which is clearly failing.
blanch152 wrote: » I doesn't fix the problem that most of the exports of Northern Ireland go to the rest of the UK.
J Mysterio wrote: » They're completely losing the run of themselves in the UK. As if the entire city of London and huge swathes of the UK being plastered in invasive CCTV were not enough, the MET in London are now trialing facial recognition cameras and harassing the public.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html This kind of bullsh1t in conjunction with the nasty, xenophobic Hostile Environment is just... Then factor in whatever might become of the place after No Deal Brexit in terms of deregulation and slashing workers rights. It's a disturbing cocktail.
Havockk wrote: » the DUP are doing SF's heavy lifting for them.
Quin_Dub wrote: » That's today based on a reasonably stable economy etc. What might the annual costs be in 3-5 years after a no-deal Brexit? NI will be utterly destroyed in a no-deal scenario. The concept of unification is fine in a scenario where both side of the border are functioning economies and it is a merger of relative equals.. But in a situation like we could potentially be facing post brexit , it would be Ireland doing reasonably well and NI being an utterly shattered economy. People talk about German reunification as an example, but bear in mind that there is a strong argument to be made that those costs significantly contributed to the crash in '08 as the Germans kept pressure on the ECB to keep interests rates artificially low so that they could afford the repayments of the reunification costs. Ireland would be at a different scale , but the costs could be astronomical for a population the size of ours (even including the extra few million from NI)
Imreoir2 wrote: » The bandied about figure is actually 11bn, and that includes much that would not be transferable in the case of a UI, such as NI's notional share of the cost of Trident and the UK's carrier fleet.The credible figures I have seen suggest that the burden would likely be somewhere in the region of 5-6 bn, which is small when compared to the burden we successfully faced during the financial crisis.
FrancieBrady wrote: » A UI fixes many of the conundrums and pitfalls of Brexit. Given that no type of Brexit is going to please or advantage everyone. And it may be the only choice we have to stop us getting dragged out of the EU.
josip wrote: » I think your analogy fails because up to half of the shipwreck survivors in this case would be intent on sinking the boat which had just rescued them. I suspect a significant proportion would prefer to drown or be taken by sharks instead.
jmayo wrote: » Sadly John Fortune passed away a few years ago so we don't have this type of political satire anymore. Hopefully the mods will allow this even though it is not Politics Cafe, because I think this sketch might actually sum up the Rees Moggs and other Brexiters more aptly than paragraphs of print.
jmayo wrote: » They have engaged in some backstabbing alright, but they do have a lovely anthem.:D As Donald Trump said the English might not be willing to keep pumping in the billions and NI farmers could be really hard hit with lack of subsidies. Of course yes some will look to London, but they even did that when they were being treated like shyte in centuries gone by. Others though may look South, particularly the younger folks who see a more enlightened state. Back when younger with romantic ideals and Irish education fresh in my mind in the 70s and 80s I would have jumped at united Ireland, over last couple of decades No. There are some grand people of both persuasions up there, but by Christ there are some right fookwits on both sides that have serious chips on their shoulders that we could well do without. Actually I think Gibraltar is being forgotten in all this. They voted 98% to stay.A lot of Gibraltans actually unofficially live in Spain because more room for nice villas, so not sure what the Spanish are going to do with them.
Nody wrote: » New EU regulation coming in which will make all the Brexiteers call for the war fleet to be sent out again.... Guess they should actually have bothered to speak with Spain a bit on the topic...
First Up wrote: » You can bet those who voted against unification would see it like that.
First Up wrote: » To be funded how exactly? Another ECB loan? Higher taxes? Water charges? Cuts to nurses pay? And all while dealing with retrenchment (at best) or civil disobedience and violent disorder (at worst)? If the cost of "unification" (which would be seen as annexation in NI) is included, I wouldn't bet on any referendum being passed.
jm08 wrote: » I like the Scots, but with a large body of water between us. Twice in recent years they have sold Irish rugby down the river for financial gain. First time was over the Heineken Cup when they were bought off by BT Sport with large sponsorship (BT Sport had the TV rights). 2nd time was over the staging of the rugby world cup - they would get more money if France hosted it. The Welsh are not much better
First Up wrote: » I really wish people would forget this nonsense. Brexit is going to push Northern Ireland closer to Britain as they seek comfort in each other's arms. Talk of a united Ireland is only going to push them even closer. I hope a borderless solution can be found but our future is in Europe and there's isn't and that's how it will be for a long long time.
First Up wrote: » Yeah and we really want to inherit responsibility for an economic basket case riven by sectarian factions.
Enzokk wrote: » Voting against unification if there are indications that it will pass in NI would be like voting against not picking up survivors of a ship wreck. I would think the vote should be an automatic yes from Ireland whatever the cost. I am talking from the point of view that things would have gotten very bad for people in NI to vote in a majority for a united Ireland. If those undecided (not unionist or republican) voters that are happy for things to stay as they are because they are comfortable get to a point where they know it is better to leave the UK you know they will be looking for help desperately.
lawred2 wrote: annexation is a nonsense term in that context
BonnieSituation wrote: » And you're basing this on what? 100% of the political parties (well, do Renua count anymore?) in the State support reunification with consent. The vote for the GFA confirmed that the citizens did too and it hasn't looked to me like the people of this country have changed tack in the last 20years. Exactly who is going to lead the "No to Reunification" campaign? You? Blanch? Come off it.
eagle eye wrote: » The only option that doesn't result in blood being spilt is to.continue with what we have had for the last number of years. The UK voted to leave and regardless of what deal is struck there should be no border.If the Brits want to create a border then let them but the EU should not create, or place any personnel on, a border between NI and us. That way the only targets are those in power in the UK. Let them live with that hanging over them and maybe they'll quickly come to their senses.
Imreoir2 wrote: The credible figures I have seen suggest that the burden would likely be somewhere in the region of 5-6 bn, which is small when compared to the burden we successfully faced during the financial crisis.
The EU has ruled Gibraltar is a "colony of the British crown" whose sovereignty is disputed Spain. In a proposed regulation that could grant Britons visa-free access to the EU even in the case of a no-deal Brexit, the bloc made a distinction between those living in Britain and those who are citizens of Gibraltar, a British Overseas Territory on the southern tip of Spain.
VinLieger wrote: » When the economic cost is laid bare before the republic of Ireland there may be a majority simply unwilling to take that burden on. Nobody knows how much NI takes to run, the most common figure bandied about is of course 12bil per year but then add onto that the very likely heightened security costs and we have no clue what it could do to us financially. The decision to reunite needs to have all emotion removed from it and it should be based purely on facts....... ironically like how brexit should have been ran.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Exactly who is going to lead the "No to Reunification" campaign?
eagle eye wrote: » The only option that doesn't result in blood being spilt is to.continue with what we have had for the last number of years. The UK voted to leave and regardless of what deal is struck there should be no border. If the Brits want to create a border then let them but the EU should not create, or place any personnel on, a border between NI and us. That way the only targets are those in power in the UK. Let them live with that hanging over them and maybe they'll quickly come to their senses.
