RobMc59 wrote: » Why on earth would you take the meandering views of an Eton toff as the opinion of the general public in Britain?
briany wrote: » I'd agree with much of what he wrote if it were an appeal to simple living, making do with less, and appreciating that many nice things we have are due to vast and complicated global logistics. But he appears to be writing it in a 'Britain can take it!' way. This mentality seems to going around a fair bit in the UK. The trouble with adopting the Blitz Spirit in the face of potential shortages, is that many people talking about it have never been through it.
MPFGLB wrote: » IDS then went on to say on how UK were working well with Kenny but LV pushed the EU onto the backstop and "the idea of flexibility is literally a question for the Irish government ...to what degree are you prepared to be flexible about the nature of how the border works so you dont have a hard border ..its is wholly feasible to make it like that ...that was the original idea"
briany wrote: » The trouble with adopting the Blitz Spirit in the face of potential shortages, is that many people talking about it have never been through it.
10000maniacs wrote: » Nobody would blame the Taoiseach for trying to string it out. He is sandwiched between a rock and a hard place not of his own making. O'Rourke did not make any derogatory remarks against Ireland, The Irish government, or Leo. Or any comments that could be perceived as such.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » This is Charles Moore writing in The Spectator. You would think this is parody, but I can assure you it's not. This person often writes similar opinion pieces for The Telegrpah. "What to do about the coming shortage of green groceries of which several supermarkets warned yet again this week if there is a no-deal Brexit on 29 March? I am just old enough to remember when fresh fruit and veg were in short supply at this time of year. People used to know how to store things to mitigate the problem: apples would be carefully laid out on straw-strewn shelves. We ate lots of root vegetables and not much greenery. If ever you saw a strawberry out of season it came, for some reason, from Israel. Perhaps it is time for a Brexit recipe book, like those comforting wartime rationing ones full of bright ideas for dull things. In our part of the south coast we have racier ideas. We have a centuries-old tradition of smuggling (‘brandy for the parson, baccy for the clerk’), and are ready to set out in our little ships to Dunkirk or wherever and bring back luscious black-market lettuces and French beans, oranges and lemons. Our Sussex and Kent smugglers used to be known as ‘free traders’, which is interesting and — if we have to sneak over an EU tariff wall — entirely appropriate for today."
CelticRambler wrote: » There's no way the DUP would accept that - if NI voted to remain within the SM/CU/aligned with the EU, that would reinforce NI's isolation from GB and increase the pressure for a United Ireland; and we already know that the demographics suggest there'll be a nationalist majority in about 5 years any how.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » The House of Commons is literally designed for boorish old men I'm afraid and shows no signs of changing.
Hurrache wrote: » Here's an interesting thing that a Scottish MSP points out that Tony Connelly passed onhttps://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1091009399265607680
fash wrote: » Frankly I quite strongly dislike with the boorish and toxic and sometimes even rabid manner that the UK government, Tories, brexiters, much of the UK press and much of the online UK netizens have acted. It is hard to separate the UK from that much of what is the UK.
An Ciarraioch wrote: » An interesting suggestion here - after the transition, the UK backstop could revert to an NI one, and a referendum would be held five years after that date:http://ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-one-clarification-and-one-concession-the-eu-could-offer-the-uk/
An Claidheamh wrote: » Oh it's not your imagination. RTÉ is often ridiculed as pro-establishment, it is in fact pro-Fianna Fáil - O'Rourke, O'Callaghan, Tubridy, Duffy - I genuinely don't understand why FG have never complained about it. By the way, I do not vote for FG, and generally don't like them, but it's obvious to me. (Although, FG don't mind utilising RTÉ for SF bashing when it suits them). Worth remembering all these RTÉ types were put on crazy money during the Tiger, probably why they identify with FF.
MPFGLB wrote: » Well I will go back and listen again when I get time...I don't disagree with what you wrote above (and the argument that the back stop allows for time to avoid a permanent hard border ) but as I said to a bystander that conversation indicates a responsibility on Ireland to change the backstop ..remember no everyone appreciates the detail ..even the language I highlighted indicates some subterfuge on the Irish part ...I would have preferred a more balanced approach , especially when they went on to talk about LV and Kenny's personalities in a derogatory way I dont want to give any ammunition to the hoards in UK who are blaming the Irish
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I think this is a bit ridiculous. I don't think anyone is anti-UK. It's perfectly understandable that Irish people would be incensed at the UK's leaving with such feckless disregard for the peace process in NI. Maintaining this takes priority whatever the consequences for the British.
10000maniacs wrote: » You must have been listening to a different interview. Neal: In the event of no deal, will we have a hard border between NI and the ROI? O'Rourke: Yes that's my view. It might take weeks or months for that to happen. The government hasn't been planning for this as far as we know and I'm sure they will try to string it out and there will be public procurements and procedures to get the contractors in to delay it, but the Taoiseach needs to come clean on this. Neal: But if we leave with no deal because we couldn't change the backstop resulting in a hard border, why not change the backstop? O'Rourke: Because if you change the backstop you have a hard border also, because Lancaster house as applied to the UK as a whole necessitates a hard border also and if they concede on the backstop principle, any border that emerges will be permanent whereas if they don't concede, any border that emerges may only turn out to be temporary because if they go into a no deal situation, is that the end of the story? If that is not the end of the story, the backstop is waiting for you.
10000maniacs wrote: » The O'Rourke we are talking about is not Sean O'Rourke. It's Kevin O'Rourke who wrote the book A Short History of Brexit.
Leroy42 wrote: » So since the Brexit vote nearly every leading Brexiteer has distanced themselves from the current mess. Farage, Davis, Raab, Johnson have come out and claimed that Brexit would have been a great idea if only for the Remainers messing it all up. TM is a remainer, Robbins, the EU have been trying to twart the will of the people.
Leroy42 wrote: » Yet nobody is asking what exactly was the plan that would have worked and why they continue to back TM given how terrible it all is. nearly 3 years since the vote and still none of them have an actual plan. Even here, all we get people blaming the EU, Leo etc and asking why the EU can't simply give the UK what it wants.
MPFGLB wrote: » I am not misrepresenting anything ...I am talking about the conversation between Neil and O Rourke where Neil specifically said what do the Irish want and they will get what they dont want and why are they insisting on the backstop This implies to all that the Irish have the problem and are the problem with insisting on the backstop with no indication that its no one country's problem and the EU support the backstop It was a conversation and O Rourke was happy to let those view lie and also comment derogatory on LV personality as if that was the issue If you were a bystander listening to that you would certainly come away with the view the Irish are the problem
