eagle eye wrote: » The only difference between me and the majority in this thread is that most of you are anti-UK and pro-Eu and seem to be willing to suffer the consequences to stick it to the UK. That makes no sense to me.
jmayo wrote: It was meant to be an example how sometimes you can't just pull a ferry out of yer ar** at a moments notice. I know increased shipping links can work, but at a cost, over time. We all know how cr** some of our planning can be if state involved anywhere, so also expect delays.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Was he? Was only half listening but didn’t pick that up, just IDS with some raimeis that they were going to get a deal from kenny until the upstart varadkar came in and scuppered it.
eagle eye wrote: » They want out, the backstop means they are not out.
MPFGLB wrote: » BBC Politics Live with Irish commentator O'Rourke blaming Irish for backstop and all the problems with Brexit deal and NI border
eagle eye wrote: » Do you think I'm on their side or something? I'm on the Republic if Ireland's side. I want the UK and EU to do whatever it takes to make sure the troubles don't start again in NI. I want them both to do whever it takes to ensure we don't end up in hard financial times again. I might have a bit more compassion, not much, than the zero shown by almost all in this thread towards the UK because they have always(up to now) had our back during the common market era. The only difference between me and the majority in this thread is that most of you are anti-UK and pro-Eu and seem to be willing to suffer the consequences to stick it to the UK. That makes no sense to me.
eagle eye wrote: » I want the UK and EU to do whatever it takes to make sure the troubles don't start again in NI. I want them both to do whever it takes to ensure we don't end up in hard financial times again.
Lemming wrote: » I don't think anyone has linked this yet; from yesterday (only spotted it today) on the BBC website: US firms seek changes to UK standards on beef and drugs. Whislt the whole article smacks of "and so it begins", these bits in particular (bold emphasis is mine) stood out for me as a case of 'with friends like these ... ' On farming: Glyphosate .... also commonly known as 'Roundup' weed killer; do a google on it as I don't want to drag this discussion off-topic. Keywords: Monsanto, knowingly, cancer, US court ruling. On tech: The question of data storage is very important when it comes to cloud-storage, along with your rights to control your data, which jurisdiction it is governed by and your data privacy rights. And less cash for UK customs at the benefit of US businesses; I sincerely doubt the US will reciprocate on that. On the face of it that looks like a benefit for the small people ordering stuff from the US, but not really as there'll be an inevitable squeeze on government funding somewhere, which usually translates to higher taxes and reduced services. On health: Effectively wanting to export the worst excesses of the US healthcare industry.
VinLieger wrote: So if you are saying the backstop holds them in you are admitting they are lying about being able to implement no border.
Calina wrote: » Actually Juncker is charming. I have seen him in real life, posing for pictures with tourists who recognise him. Verhofstadt spent a long time as PM in Belgium and was demonstrably better at his job there than May is currently at hers. The UK population in general pays limited heed to the European Parliament. I suspect the only MEP most of them have heard of is Nigel Farage. So I doubt they knew who Verhofstadt was at the time. He is not the president of the EP btw. In any case he was not the president of the EP at the time and he still isn't. UK coverage and discussion of Juncker tends to be by default negative. IIRC the UK government didn't want him. Since a lot of UK media coverage of politics tends to be confrontational and tribal, and not a careful reflection of how things are, I am not surprised.
jmayo wrote: » IAG is registered in Madrid but headoffice is London. It is also on Madrid and London stock exchange AFAIK. Isn't the point about ownership and what percentage is EU owned/UK owned? Of course it could mean either BA or Iberia is not allowed fly. And then there are Aer Lingus and Vueling? Interesting to note big shareholders are Qatar Airways and US's Capital Research and Management and Europacific Growth Fund. The UK has managed to sign a deal with Switzerland along with Morocco, Albania, Israel so Easyjet should be okish.
Hurrache wrote: » Seriously? France and Germany may go to war because the UK won't be there to say [Liverpudlian accent] "calm down, calm down, calm down', not withstanding the fact that the EU is primarily a means of peace keeping.
prawnsambo wrote: » Yes it does. Which I believe Michael O'Leary himself admitted in an interview about a year ago. I assume that's been done by this stage.
robinph wrote: » There is also the issue of can they operate UK-UK routes seeing as they are an EU airline, and what about BA who are now a non UK airline as well. Then there would be EasyJet who run both a UK airline and a Swiss one, although I guess the Swiss operated routes won't be effected.
sink wrote: » I don't know what the brexiters are dreaming about, but to anyone who reads the report will understand that it requires major infrastructure at the border and lots of personnel. The more crossings that are open the more expensive it will be and as there are in the region of 300 border crossings, it will be the most expensive border in the world costing billions. It's obvious there will be a push to close a significant number of them to reduce costs. Restricting the movement locals and disrupting border communities, agitating a delicate peace.
eagle eye wrote: » It means that the EU remain in control for as long as the backstop lasts.
Igotadose wrote: » When confronted, Braverman named 2 experts. Here's a link to a paper proposing 'frictionless borders' from one of them, Lars Karlsson: https://www.larskarlsson.com/?p=5298 Here's the paper Karlsson wrote: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf He does have border 'chops' so this isn't some rabid Leaver, but someone that's dealt with Sweden/Norway border issues as a career.
A company in Northern Ireland needs to move goods to a client in the UK. The company is pre-registered in the AEO database (AEO status or application for AEO Trusted Trader), a simplified export/import declaration is sent, including a unique consignment reference number. The transporting company is pre-registered in the AEO database and the driver of the truck is pre-registered in the Trusted Commercial Travellers database. The simplified export/import declaration is automatically processed and risk assessed. At the border the mobile phone of the driver is recognized/identified and a release-note is sent to the driver's mobile phone with a permit to pass the border that opens the gate automatically when the vehicle is identified, potentially by an automatic number plate registration system. A post-import supplementary declaration is submitted in the import country within the given time period. Potential controls can be carried out by mobile inspection units from EU or UK with right of access to facilities and data, as required.
jmayo wrote: » Does that then necessitate Ryan Air buying out it's UK shareholders ?
eagle eye wrote: » If/When the UK leave what happens then. Germany and France have a long history of not getting on with each other. The UK was the other big brother in Europe so if they fall out now there is nobody to tell them they need to make up and get along.
prawnsambo wrote: » The EU have undertaken to honour current agreements up to nine months after B-Day (I think) but only for UK-EU and vice versa flights. No EU-EU flights by British carriers.
jmayo wrote: » Is it only now dawning on some Irish people that to some Brits, well English in particular, that Ireland is inconsequential ? They had forgotten about Northern Ireland since it had stopped causing deaths to their squadies and mayhem on the streets of their major cities. Of course the DUP entrance into the spotlight was a shock to many and the ultimate was finding out about the pesky Irish border ruining their plans of splitting from the johnny foreigners on the continent.
briany wrote: » It'll be hard to sell Brexiteers on benefits that they take totally for granted. Benefits they think they either don't really need, don't really think about as anything special, or think can be re-achieved in some way when outside the EU. The chorus to Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell springs to mind.
First Up wrote: » You quoted it as a reason why increased shipping links from Ireland won't work. If you think there is some logic to that argument please provide it. Everyone knows that chaos at UK ports will disrupt the landbridge and it will take a while to be sorted.
Fr Tod Umptious wrote: » The former Greek finance minister was on Newsnight last night. The guy with the name beginning with V that I can't spell. He's a guy I'd rearly agree with but he made a great point that Brexit has been a lost opportunity for EU reform. The way the British have handled the result has allowed the EU to avoid to he hard questions about why the result was Leave. I was hoping after the referendum that the EU would look at itself and see what it was doing wrong, unfortunately the way it has worked out has meant that the EU can avoid the hard questions about the direction the European project is taking. It's all well and good to be pro European now when it's in our favor but the landscape was very different 10 years ago when they were sticking it to us over the banking crisis. There was a Spanish government minister also on the show and she was advocating greater European political cohesion. That made me sad.
jmayo wrote: » I find screwfix cheaper on some things than some Irish retailers, but they are usually beaten by foreign imports.
jmayo wrote: » Thanks for that info. They will be operating between Dublin and Zeebrugge/Rotterdam.
jmayo wrote: » The current links to France are not adequate to cover all the current British land bridge traffic. Now the above MC Celine and MV Delphine could take a big chunk of traffic direct from Netherlands/Belgium but how many trips a week can two ships do?
jmayo wrote: » BTW I asked about Open Skies re UK and EU, what is the current situation on hard Brexit ?
eagle eye wrote: » They want out, the backstop means they are not out. It means that the EU remain in control for as long as the backstop lasts.
