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Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

hawkelady

As the title suggests ... do you think the government will give what the inmo is asking for ? The way pascal and Harris is talking it looks like it’s going to be a long drawn out process. Who will buckle first. Btw, I do hope the nurses get what they want and they do a great job.

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average_runner

1641 wrote: »

What is the premium for working Christmas - anyone know?

I don't know but they were interested spending their time on facebook and twitter than saving lives

1641

RacoonQueen wrote: »

About the same as nursing but they're not the ones looking for pay rises so their gender is irrelevant in this.

I'm the last person who would play the 'gender card', for the record, I'm the most anti-feminist female you could meet. Calling it the 'gender card' speaks volumes anyway.

Thanks for confirming that gender has nothing to do with the demand for equivalence with these other grades (or opposition to it).

They are not looking for a pay rise now (as far as I know). But as sure as night follows day, they will be if the nurses' demands are granted.

professore

Looking at payscale.com https://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Country=Ireland/Salary most comparable careers are around the same pay as what nurses get, in fact they are higher than many.

James Brown

The Tories are doing the usual divisive strategy of making it us verses the Nurses. I don't believe even Leo would swallow the horse manure he's spouting. Apologising to patients because the nurses insist on striking. Pure dirt. This from the man who's government has overseen worsening health crisis amongst others. He's some cheek. How is anyone buying into this garbage? What ever the nurses think they are due is separate from this low grade politics. Depending on the issue, we're to believe, tenants, the poor, the sick and nurses and the problem. The one comon factor here is a FG government that only cares about looking after certain things.
There's plenty of money to pay for what ever that hospital may over run by but workers look for a raise and it's no magic money tree or some other sh*te? Get to f***.

turbbo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

He's some cheek.

Yeah you do too with grammar like that :eek:

iamwhoiam

average_runner wrote: »

I don't know but they were interested spending their time on facebook and twitter than saving lives

Were lives lost while they were on Twitter ? Do you know that for a fact ? Then even nurses sometimes get lunch and dinner breaks you know

turbbo

Privatise the HSE - only way forward - thing is a beast that constantly needs to be fed. It goes from one crisis to another - it's not getting any better any time soon until something drastic is changed.

hatrickpatrick

Why does nobody ever advocate that the government take action to tackle the appalling cost of living in this country? It's the elephant in the room which underpins all of these disputes. All of the comparisons with other countries which get bandied around fail to mention that you'd pay two or three times more for a couple of drinks or a meal out in Dublin compared with most of the other cities cited as comparable pay.

Pay alone isn't the issue, it's purchasing power. The cost of living in Ireland, particularly in Dublin and other urban areas, is far too high - and that's not just a rent issue, as noted by several articles last week. It's also the rip-off insurance businesses have to pay because of compensation culture, it's the cost of public transport, it's our short-sighted tax bands - there are a whole host of factors which diminish purchasing power. Pay claims are a symptom of that, but the government in its neoliberal "muh free marketz" ideology refuses to take any action which might drive down the cost of living so that the same pay scale might actually afford people a better quality of life.

James Brown

turbbo wrote: »

Yeah you do too with grammar like that :eek:

Good point...oh wait..

hawkelady

Surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that there is €2 million a week being spent on agency nurses !!

James Brown

turbbo wrote: »

Privatise the HSE - only way forward - thing is a beast that constantly needs to be fed. It goes from one crisis to another - it's not getting any better any time soon until something drastic is changed.

That's the plan. Let it run itself into the ground then give Denis a contract and it's jobs for our own.

theguzman

hawkelady wrote: »

Surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that there is €2 million a week being spent on agency nurses !!

What about the literal billions dumped into the dark hole of adminsistation, crony managers and jobs for life. The HSE could function perfectly fine with at least 50,000 to 75,000 job cuts and just increase front line staff but trim out the fat. This will of course never happen which is why I favour privatisation.

Wheeliebin30

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's the plan. Let it run itself into the ground then give Denis a contract and it's jobs for our own.

Yeah that’s the plan of course.

And you accuse people of talking bull****.

Twenty Grand

theguzman wrote: »

What about the literal billions dumped into the dark hole of adminsistation, crony managers and jobs for life. The HSE could function perfectly fine with at least 50,000 to 75,000 job cuts and just increase front line staff but trim out the fat. This will of course never happen which is why I favour privatisation.

Considering the HSE only employs 67,000 people I think 75,000 job cuts would leave it a tad understaffed.

James Brown

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Yeah that’s the plan of course.

And you accuse people of talking bull****.

The Blue shirt answer to everything is here. Oh Mr. Darcy, people will talk

Two hard options:

They are allowing it run to ground to enable 'looking after our own' as is their record.

Or

They are incompetent and incapable or unwilling to tackle it.

Harris and Varadar trying to turn the public against Nurses and Midwives, gross Tory sh*te.

griffin100

If the current nurses’ pay scale is not deemed adequate by some on here, what do they deem adequate re. starting pay, annual increments, allowances and the terminal point on the scale?

KevinCavan

I think they should wear their outfits while protesting.

turbbo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The Blue shirt answer to everything is here. Oh Mr. Darcy, people will talk

Two hard options:

They are allowing it run to ground to enable 'looking after our own' as is their record.

Or

They are incompetent and incapable or unwilling to tackle it.

Harris and Varadar trying to turn the public against Nurses and Midwives, gross Tory sh*te.

Matt - this is about the nurses strike in Ireland not the UK - think you might have the wrong thread.
Either that or your brain isn't firing on all cylinders today.

gctest50

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's the plan. Let it run itself into the ground then give Denis a contract and it's jobs for our own.

Michael O Leary is the man for the job

Currently it's like this pair :

road_high

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The Blue shirt answer to everything is here. Oh Mr. Darcy, people will talk

Two hard options:

They are allowing it run to ground to enable 'looking after our own' as is their record.

Or

They are incompetent and incapable or unwilling to tackle it.

Harris and Varadar trying to turn the public against Nurses and Midwives, gross Tory sh*te.

For me it’s simple economic responsibility- I don’t need FG or anyone else to tell me living beyond a countries tax take is insanity. Some of us look at the state revenue vs expenditure and know it’s obviously way out of line still and on very shaky ground with Brexit and all other uncertainty’s about.
Nothing to do with turning against Nurses- many of them do a tough job in difficult circumstances- but so do so many other workers allover

James Brown

road_high wrote: »

For me it’s simple economic responsibility- I don’t need FG or anyone else to tell me living beyond a countries tax take is insanity. Some of us look at the state revenue vs expenditure and know it’s obviously way out of line still and on very shaky ground with Brexit and all other uncertainty’s about.
Nothing to do with turning against Nurses- many of them do a tough job in difficult circumstances- but so do so many other workers allover

It very much is. Varadkar and Harris are apologising to the public for the Nurses striking and people being put out. How would you view that?
If there was no Brexit there'd be something else. Nurses haven't had a strike in 20 odd years. Hardly chancers on the make.
It's the FG mantra of dividing the public against itself. The ideology of their followers, 'well if I have it tough, everyone else should too, especially those worse off than me'.

[Deleted User]

I suppose the good thing is if the nurses get their rise. I will expect something similar for hospital pharmacists in the next 12 months.

Tell me how

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Considering the HSE only employs 67,000 people I think 75,000 job cuts would leave it a tad understaffed.

"The HSE is the largest employer in the State, with more than 67,000 direct employees, and a further 35,000 employed by agencies funded by the HSE."

James Brown

brendanwalsh wrote: »

They'll get what they want due to sheer numbers and if they cripple the system for long enough . The general public don't really hate nurses.
The government should be more concerned about vacant consultant posts and junior doctors emigrating all the time and consultants who are not on specialist registrar.

When the nurses get a rise, watch ever other ****er in the public sector go begging for one.

We will end up in 2008 again if Leo doesn't stand firm.

Nurses do a tough job, if they don't like the salary on offer they can and should go elsewhere. It's just business. If I didn't like the wages on offer from working in tesco, I wouldn't work in tesco. Why pay through the nose, plenty of foreign nurses willing to come here and are delighted with the salary.

Striking isn't begging.
Leo standing firm? While making the myriad crises worse? He's trying to say giving Nurses a rise will take money that's earmarked elsewhere, fair enough but I didn't hear that about the hospital over run. I suppose it depends on if it's working tax payers or private business/vulture funds etc. Maybe if he concentrated on representing the tax payers over private landlord firms, Putin associated oil money laundering and vulture funds things might improve for the people he's supposed to represent rather than the ones he actually does.

[Deleted User]

As an aside, the HSE is in ****ing disarray. So many patients die that wouldn't die in an NHS hospital. Drug companies offer trips (Barbados, wherever) disguised as conferences to consultants and pharmacists. There is no control of medication budgets in any Irish hospital. There isn't even a national sepsis policy for God sake.

iamwhoiam

brendanwalsh wrote: »

They'll get what they want due to sheer numbers and if they cripple the system for long enough . The general public don't really hate nurses.
The government should be more concerned about vacant consultant posts and junior doctors emigrating all the time and consultants who are not on specialist registrar.

When the nurses get a rise, watch ever other ****er in the public sector go begging for one.

We will end up in 2008 again if Leo doesn't stand firm.

Nurses do a tough job, if they don't like the salary on offer they can and should go elsewhere. It's just business. If I didn't like the wages on offer from working in tesco, I wouldn't work in tesco. Why pay through the nose, plenty of foreign nurses willing to come here and are delighted with the salary.

They are going elsewhere . We are loosing nurses daily to UK , Australia , Dubai and Canada .
And the queues of foreign nurses has slowed down now as they look to Dubai and Australia too

bri007

Leo and Harris should use the 14.3 billion euro tax take from Apple and put it into the health service, starting with building the children’s hospital as planned and employ more frontline staff ie nursing etc.

[Deleted User]

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They are going elsewhere . We are loosing nurses daily to UK , Australia , Dubai and Canada .
And the queues of foreign nurses has slowed down now as they look to Dubai and Australia too

If they’ve funded their own education, then they are free to go wherever they want. However, if their qualifications were state funded via a grant, then they should be obliged to work in the NHS for a minimum of 3 years.

The 13 hour day seriously needs looking at. It’s ridiculous to expect anyone to work such hours in such a vital job.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

If they’ve funded their own education, then they are free to go wherever they want. However, if their qualifications were state funded via a grant, then they should be obliged to work in the NHS for a minimum of 3 years.

The 13 hour day seriously needs looking at. It’s ridiculous to expect anyone to work such hours in such a vital job.

Meh. You get more days off. I used to shift work as a rotational pharmacist. It was nice having days off and the pay enhancements weren't bad either.

Bowlardo

bri007 wrote: »

Leo and Harris should use the 14.3 billion euro tax take from Apple and put it into the health service, starting with building the children’s hospital as planned and employ more frontline staff ie nursing etc.

We don’t have access to that money. It is only a small percentage of it . Probably less than a billion